Fluffy units/HQ's for Heresy era Salamanders

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

At the moment I have a preator/captain and am working on the tactical and veteran squads for my heresy era Salamanders, and I am going to wait till their book comes out before making anymore characters, but I am wondering what unit and HQ choices people think would be fluffy for the Legion of Vulkan outside of tacticals, veterans and support squads with melta's (and hopefully, flamers).
I'm guessing Destroyers are out? :P 

[SillyDreadnought]

Every unit is fluffy, because there was no absolute degree of uniformity within the Legions themselves, let alone between Legions. Your Salamanders could have an affinity for crafting anti-gravity vehicles, so they use lots of Land Speeders and Jetbikes. or they could be prototyping advanced TDA tactics, so they take lots of Terminators. And so on and so on.

 

Every unit is fluffy for a Legion list, because the Legions were simply so massive, so far from traditional logisitics chains, that you can do whatever you like within the constraints of the army list.

[KJB]

Well, in Promethean Sun they're stated to be one of the smallest legions but to have a very high percentage of flamer divisions

 

Flamer wielding support squads all the way!

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I'll proberbly take a flamer support squad just as I have 2 with flamers I made when I thought veteran tacticals could have them. Fluff wise, the force is part of the legion that escaped the black sands of Isstavan, with the majority being the remnant's of the thirteenth company, who had a high percentage of heavy support particularly with plasma, with elements/other survivors who escaped with them patched in, so I guess that gives me free reign, but is there anything that may seem unlikely given that scenario?

[facmanpob]

Every unit is fluffy for a Legion list, because the Legions were simply so massive, so far from traditional logisitics chains, that you can do whatever you like within the constraints of the army list.

This is such a good point it deserves repeating I think.

 

So I propose that rather than using the word "fluffy", when dealing with Legions it might be better to use the word "iconic". So, what would be an iconic unit to use with the Salamanders = flamers, World Eaters = Assault units, Scars = bikes etc.

[depthcharge12]

 

Every unit is fluffy for a Legion list, because the Legions were simply so massive, so far from traditional logisitics chains, that you can do whatever you like within the constraints of the army list.

This is such a good point it deserves repeating I think.

 

So I propose that rather than using the word "fluffy", when dealing with Legions it might be better to use the word "iconic". So, what would be an iconic unit to use with the Salamanders = flamers, World Eaters = Assault units, Scars = bikes etc.

 

Its all up to you dude as to what you want to include. I for one would love to see some diversity to the Sallies as opposed to flamer/melta ad nauseum.

 

Maybe try more of the artificer view of the Salamanders. I was happy to see in the new Glaive tank description (check it out!) that the tank was generally in larger numbers of usage in the 1st legion and the sallies, the former due to length of service, and the latter due to constant care and artifice.

 

Maybe shoot for an ancient tech sallies? Do volkites, archeotech pistol, plasma blasters, and maybe graviton guns! That would actually be pretty sweet

[Grimdarkness]

See to me the when you say iconic salamander's I see a legion of stoic warriors battered and briused. But then that's me I'd go with a lot of flamer's and mixed unit type's. 

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

 

 

Every unit is fluffy for a Legion list, because the Legions were simply so massive, so far from traditional logisitics chains, that you can do whatever you like within the constraints of the army list.

This is such a good point it deserves repeating I think.

 

So I propose that rather than using the word "fluffy", when dealing with Legions it might be better to use the word "iconic". So, what would be an iconic unit to use with the Salamanders = flamers, World Eaters = Assault units, Scars = bikes etc.

 

Its all up to you dude as to what you want to include. I for one would love to see some diversity to the Sallies as opposed to flamer/melta ad nauseum.

Maybe try more of the artificer view of the Salamanders. I was happy to see in the new Glaive tank description (check it out!) that the tank was generally in larger numbers of usage in the 1st legion and the sallies, the former due to length of service, and the latter due to constant care and artifice.

 

Maybe shoot for an ancient tech sallies? Do volkites, archeotech pistol, plasma blasters, and maybe graviton guns! That would actually be pretty sweet

Thatt was an idea I was thiniking of doing, was thinking of Volkite weaponry for my Apothacarys, and Artificer armour on everyone who has access to it, and I was thinking a rapier battery of lascannons and graviton guns could be good, as could the predator varients. I'm thinking this could be a good argument for salamander landspeeders as well due to the artifice needed for them.

[depthcharge12]

Every unit is fluffy for a Legion list, because the Legions were simply so massive, so far from traditional logisitics chains, that you can do whatever you like within the constraints of the army list.

This is such a good point it deserves repeating I think.

So I propose that rather than using the word "fluffy", when dealing with Legions it might be better to use the word "iconic". So, what would be an iconic unit to use with the Salamanders = flamers, World Eaters = Assault units, Scars = bikes etc.

Its all up to you dude as to what you want to include. I for one would love to see some diversity to the Sallies as opposed to flamer/melta ad nauseum.

Maybe try more of the artificer view of the Salamanders. I was happy to see in the new Glaive tank description (check it out!) that the tank was generally in larger numbers of usage in the 1st legion and the sallies, the former due to length of service, and the latter due to constant care and artifice.

Maybe shoot for an ancient tech sallies? Do volkites, archeotech pistol, plasma blasters, and maybe graviton guns! That would actually be pretty sweet

Thatt was an idea I was thiniking of doing, was thinking of Volkite weaponry for my Apothacarys, and Artificer armour on everyone who has access to it, and I was thinking a rapier battery of lascannons and graviton guns could be good, as could the predator varients. I'm thinking this could be a good argument for salamander landspeeders as well due to the artifice needed for them.

Yes exactly like that, and i forgot to add conversion beamers as well but sprinkle to taste.

I know that the legion jet bikes are listed as hard to make and tedious to maintain, but feel that this would land under the the XVIIIth legion's idiosyncrasies as well. However, I am unaware to the method of Sallie warfare if they disdain fast moving outriders or not. However however however, it is a legion list and you have poetic license to use unusual units in your force.

P.S. I added the jet bikes just because i was thinking of including them in my WEs and the thought sprung to mind.

P.S.S. Do you guys think that since the Iron Hands build themselves eventually into a dreadnought as the ultimate marriage of flesh/machine that IH jet bikers are attached to their bikes? would that make the jet bike their...uhm...(looks at shape of jet bike) well i guess they are compensating for something...

[jeremy1391]

Praetor, artificer , thunder hammer, combi flamer, digital weapons, iron halo sounds pretty salamander to me

[TheForgottenAngel]

Heavy Support Voliite Calivers (When they come out) are disgustingly good in 30k. DO THAT!

[Hyaenidae]

Fluffy units for 30k Salamanders?

 

Have you tried piles of corpses?

 

 

:P

 

 

Seriously, though, I've been staring at a 10-man heavy support squad, armed with all-heavy flamers, and trying to figure out how to use it. Could be a lot of fun to funnel a horde into THAT killzone. 

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I'm thinking a heavy support squad with multie meltas :D Am thinking 5 at the moment, but if I ever get to ten... Would like to see anything but hammernators survive that :P

[Kol Saresk]

Fluffy units for 30k Salamanders?

 

Have you tried piles of corpses?

 

 

:P

 

 

Seriously, though, I've been staring at a 10-man heavy support squad, armed with all-heavy flamers, and trying to figure out how to use it. Could be a lot of fun to funnel a horde into THAT killzone. 

So that's why you're building a Zone Mortalis board.......

 

On topic, yes the most recognizably, fluffy, iconic, signature Salamander units would be equipped with weapons that cause extreme amounts of heat(flamethrowers, meltas, etc) and hammers in order to keep up with the Promethean Creed. As far as units go, I'd imagine any units that could be upgraded to keep up with that are what you are looking for.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

So land speeders may be a good way to combine Artifice with burning/melting things then, plus be useful for getting rid of enemy artillery (My friend building heresy death guard is way to keen on a phospehx artillery), plus I'm thinking that a chaplain lieutenant could be a good choice, to bring the creed to the battlefield.
Does anyone know what lieutenants/consols the salamanders are liekly to have had in greater numebers then most? I'm guessing Chaplains and techmarines, but I am sure I read something somewhere about them being supporters of the librarius program.
 

[Forgeborn]

Well with the myriad of options for HQ in betrayal, personally my first choice will be a forgelord just because it seems a highly appropriate combo of fighter/techmarine, servo arm/artificer armour yes please, prometheus chaplins?, primus medicare for the whole we like helping people aspect?

[Conn Eremon]

I keep hearing the Promethean Creed. Has the fluff changed? I thought the Promethean Creed wasn't established until after the Heresy, as a response to it. I know their Forgeworld article agrees with me and I think the IA does too.

[Kol Saresk]

Well, I just glanced through the IA article and it doesn't give a "when". Or rather, I didn't see a "when" so there can be one, I just missed it. So my gut instinct would be go with whatever source does a give a "when". Which in this case is Forgeworld I believe you said, in one of the Badab War Volumes I'd imagine. So yeah, I guess it is post-Heresy.

 

Still, going by what the beliefs section of the IA article says, while the Creed itself may not have existed, it is possible that the foundation of it existed before then and it only became a creed afterwards. After all, Noctunre is a planet of fire and death with Vulkan being the "son" of a Blacksmith.

[jeremy1391]

Another idea is Volkite weapons, heat based and require master artificers to maintain...

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

They would have had them to enforce the nikea edict right? I'm thinking of going with the plasma pistol chaplain or the bolt pistol grinning helmet one that has sadly been finecasted as I love both models and I'm thinking fearless could be helpfull as the legions lack ATSKNF, plus I'm thinking the that having a chaplain would be cool if this is the time when the creed solidified. (Plus, who does not love this guy http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1600010a)
Have we any examples of any apothecaries in terminator armour? I was thinking a primarus medicea may be fun to model.

[GhostMalone]

In all honesty I think anything that burns/explodes would be Salli appropriate.

 

I picture them like a bride walking down the aisle slow and making the groom terrified plus they do have the whole humanising humanity thing going for them (rather than the genocidal maniac thought pattern) If I personally was doing them I would think more heavy everything so missile launchers autocannons meltas plasmas flamers all the things that make you go mmmmmmm

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