Blackironindustries Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 At the moment I am having some quite good success with my Chaos lord in the following load out - Chaos Lord (175) - Bike - MoN - Sigil of Corruption - The Black Mace - VoTLW I have seen quite a few lists where the Lord is armed with a Power Fist and a Lightening Claw but I seem to be missing the point of this. So why is it worth it and does anyone have a particular load out they prefer? Thanks for reading, Black Iron Ind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Heremes Posted June 20, 2013 Share Posted June 20, 2013 From my understanding the claw/fist combo allows you to get the +1a from having 2 special weapons as well as being able to deal with a variety of threats as you can choose for your attacks to be fist or claw attacks. Modeled my BA Capt this way but haven't used him yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Yeah the claw/fist combo is a tiny bit cheaper and more reliable but it lacks the wow factor of the black mace and its mini explosion of doom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 You can get your wow factor from a burning brand, if your local community thinks replacing the combi-bolters on the bike is valid (seems legal by rules, but at the same time probably isn't intended, so mileage may varry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Basically, the way I picture it is that a model on a bike has to have one of his weapons mounted on the bike, and that this is almost always the combi-bolter that it comes with. I'd be fine with someone swapping it for a combi-weapon, even a plasma pistol, but when I see someone swapping it for a power-fist etc, I just imagine a Chaos Lord driving around with a big boxing glove sticking out on the front of the bike that he punches people in the face with. I can see the argument for swapping it over, as it seems somewhat legal rules-wise, but I just can't get that image out of my head every time I hear it mentioned on the forums here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackironindustries Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Unless I am mistaken the Combi Bolter is on the Bike and cannot be replaced. It also states that he can TAKE items, not replace his existing Bolt Pistol and CCW, unless he is taking TDA. So he retains his bolt pistol and CCW plus the Power Fist and Lightening Claw. Although I fully agree with the idea that riding a bike with both a Power Fist and Lightening Claw is a little ridiculous, the only way I can see round this from a modelling perspective is to make something that looks like the claw that the Huron model from Forge World has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkagl Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 I've seen a lot of: Lord MoK Sigil of Corruption Axe of Blind Fury Juggernaut of Khorne seems like a lot of people are going this route too. Plus I've seen people go 2 different routes with a retinue of spawns or bikers. or same lord as you but with the MoS and a bike retinue with Icon to give them all FNP. I've seen a lot of ppl are doing these too. I personally have mine on foot and use mine for the shooter of the gun emplacement in my army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arkagl Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 O modeling is easy and I've seen a couple of ppl go this route with the PF and LC. I use Fabius Bile backpack with the servo stuff for my Khorne Lord and Aspiring Champions. That way my opponent cannot argue that its either a PF or a LC bc technically it could be either of them or both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Unless I am mistaken the Combi Bolter is on the Bike and cannot be replaced. It also states that he can TAKE items, not replace his existing Bolt Pistol and CCW, unless he is taking TDA. So he retains his bolt pistol and CCW plus the Power Fist and Lightening Claw. Although I fully agree with the idea that riding a bike with both a Power Fist and Lightening Claw is a little ridiculous, the only way I can see round this from a modelling perspective is to make something that looks like the claw that the Huron model from Forge World has. Check the codex again, he replaces his weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackironindustries Posted June 21, 2013 Author Share Posted June 21, 2013 Ha, looking in the wrong section, that makes more sense. So he replaces his Bolt PIstol and CCW for a Power Fist and Lightening Claw, does the combi bolter on the bike remain or is that counted as one of his weapons? I have been using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Depends who you ask. Personally, I don't think he should be able to swap it, as it isn't one of "his" weapons, it's the bikes weapon, he just shoots with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HJL Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 i take a chhep unmarked terminator lord with combi bolter and lightning claw. it always gets its points back and doesnt make me cry when it dies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 21, 2013 Share Posted June 21, 2013 Unless being strictly undivided is an essential part of your theme, it seems a waste not to give such a lord the MoN or MoS to unlock troop choice plague marines or noise marines respectively. As for the bike - don't be silly. The PFist and LClaw go on the hands, the burning brand would go on the bike, like a regular unit bike replacing their combi bolter with a regular flamer. I agree that it's still sketchy, though, and almost certainly not rai, and may be explicitly killed by some future faq. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I would personally hold off on doing that until there is a FAQ out about it, but I wouldn't mind if my opponent switched out the bike's combi-bolter for the brand or another combi-weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nurglez Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 as mentioned above, a power fist and claw gives you 2 different attacks but you still get the bonus attack due to them both being specialist weapons. My current lord is Lord Davros, of the kaled destruction force. Mark of nurgle Terminator armour sigil power axe black mace blight grenades melta bombs votlw He's around 200 points but I really like the model, so I try and use him where possible. The black mace has worked wonders some games, and totally fluffed out others, but those are the breaks. I've actually hardly used the power axe, but it came free with the terminator armour and gives him a lovely 5-10 attacks without charging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Unless being strictly undivided is an essential part of your theme, it seems a waste not to give such a lord the MoN or MoS to unlock troop choice plague marines or noise marines respectively. As for the bike - don't be silly. The PFist and LClaw go on the hands, the burning brand would go on the bike, like a regular unit bike replacing their combi bolter with a regular flamer. I agree that it's still sketchy, though, and almost certainly not rai, and may be explicitly killed by some future faq. I'm talking about the people who suggest taking the Fist, Claw and Mace, or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Oh. Yeah, that would be silly. I mean, as legal by the rules as fist/claw/brand, but still just silly. Also, you really don't need that many melee options. A mace lord might still want a fist or axe for dealing with 2+ saves, but it's good enough against plain old power armor that the lightning claw is unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord_Caerolion Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Also, I was looking through the codex today, and noticed something that goes against the Lord being able to swap the combi-bolter. When it describes Bikers swapping their combi-weapons for a plasma/flamer/whatever, it specifically mentions they replace "their bike's" combi-bolter. Not theirs, their bike's. As such, the combi-bolter on the bike isn't the combi-bolter of the owning model, and thus cannot be swapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 An interesting observation, and a strong indication of rai, but not exactly conclusive rawling, considering that the bike in its entirety is also 'theirs', and that they, not the bike, fire the weapon in the shooting phase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackironindustries Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I was thinking that was the case and with the idea that I might want to swap between Fist/Claw combo and the Black Mace is to magnetise the arm its going on and then make or use Hurons Claw to go over it. Unless being strictly undivided is an essential part of your theme, it seems a waste not to give such a lord the MoN or MoS to unlock troop choice plague marines or noise marines respectively. For me it is as I am taking part in an Escalation Campaign and my leaders history is Nurgle. Even in normal games I use MON as being immune to st10 instant death is just dandy, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hornywingythingy Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 I just love the fact our generic marines can figure out how to carry and use bp, ccw and a bolter, but our lords are too dumb to work out how to use a strap... Given aspiring champions get all three as standard, obviously the transition from aspirant to fully flegded lord messes with their brains.... Either that or kelly needs to be taught continuity! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackironindustries Posted June 22, 2013 Author Share Posted June 22, 2013 I just love the fact our generic marines can figure out how to carry and use bp, ccw and a bolter, but our lords are too dumb to work out how to use a strap... Given aspiring champions get all three as standard, obviously the transition from aspirant to fully flegded lord messes with their brains.... Either that or kelly needs to be taught continuity! As a Lord of Chaos it opens up so many choices of strap to buy that they can never settle on one they really want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted June 23, 2013 Share Posted June 23, 2013 Pitching in to the lord on bike with brand discussion. The entry for the artifacts say that "a model can replace one weapon", not his or anything like that. The bike is a part of the model, and the twin linked bolter qualifies as one weapon... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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