skeletoro Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 So there are some big fortifications being released alongside apocalypse, and apparently they have rules (for both 40k and apoc) in the box with the kit (meaning you don't need to buy an additional codex/supplement or what have you in order to be able to use them). From the rumours I'm reading on natfka, one has two quad-linked icarus lascannons, and another has a macro cannon that can fire at flyers. And then the other one has Vortex missiles :O Obviously if the points cost is too high then they'll be pretty worthless, but assuming they're costed reasonably, I can totally imagine bunkering up two units of longfangs behind such a fortification. I mean, Aegis defense lines are pretty decent, but with only one per army (<2000pts) it's hard to get by on that alone. If these new uber fortifications allow you to invest more points in that one FOC slot (with commensurate anti-air returns for the cost) then I'm thinking... flyers aren't going to be much of a problem for us anymore. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 your reasoning is normal, yet won't peopel still compain we don't have any AA in our actual codex? I'm mostly looking forward to seeing better pictures of them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rift Blade Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 Have to wait & see. My friends have wised up to my Bastion trick so I'll probably be looking at any thing new along the lines of Fortifications. I'm gonna paint my Whirlwind Hyperios as part of a second vow hopefully for the ETL & that will be another answer to Flyers for my army. New fortifications might be cool but it will depend on what they come up with. No doubt it will be interesting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted June 27, 2013 Share Posted June 27, 2013 The Firestorm Redoubt looks pretty sweet. Think I'll be grabbing one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Miktain Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 The new fortifications, (or even Aegis Lines) will have to do for now. Im hoping the Flakk Missiles upgrade gets added to our FAQ or in an issue of White Dwarf or something soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 The question is really... are they apoc only or no? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaveriK Posted June 28, 2013 Share Posted June 28, 2013 The question is really... are they apoc only or no? from what we are told, they're both both apoc and 40k Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 28, 2013 Author Share Posted June 28, 2013 well, people (including faeit) seem to be saying they're 40k too. But I think it's still an unconfirmed rumour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3402704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 they're for the Wall of Martyrs doodah - basically a slightly better Aegis Line, designed as a more permanent defence line hence why you can have things like multiple quad turrets, macro cannons etc.Does look rather nice mind - especially the idea of a macro cannon or two sets of quad guns... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403630 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulweih Posted June 29, 2013 Share Posted June 29, 2013 I'll still hold back on those to see what they bring for space marines in terms of fortifications, though they are tempting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think better fortifications is quite a nice option for wolves, because long fangs are cost effective and have split fire. This helps keep them from becoming redundant - flakk missiles or no flakk missiles. It's relatively straightforward to chuck the squad leader on the gun and have him take AA duty and then have your ML models shoot at something else. Normally the squad leader should die first, but in this context, probably not... So I'm thinking one of these new fortifications could happily house two such squads. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khine Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 From the look at the turn around of the new firestorm redoubt, I'm wondering if the unit firing the quad lascannons has to be inside the bunker or touching the guns themselves, also if they have to be in the central part or the sides.I say this because there is no controls/displays on the back of the actual guns. So perhaps back line objective holding grey hunters can man the guns inside while a pack of long fangs can sit up top for the cover saves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heimdall Skullcrusher Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I think better fortifications is quite a nice option for wolves, because long fangs are cost effective and have split fire. This helps keep them from becoming redundant - flakk missiles or no flakk missiles. It's relatively straightforward to chuck the squad leader on the gun and have him take AA duty and then have your ML models shoot at something else. Normally the squad leader should die first, but in this context, probably not... So I'm thinking one of these new fortifications could happily house two such squads. Pretty sure if your squad leader is manning the quad/las gun you can't split fire. Use a WGPL instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted June 30, 2013 Author Share Posted June 30, 2013 Oh, you're entirely right. Good catch. I hadn't noticed that! I guess that leaves a WGPL, as you said. Though I guess that frustratingly rules out giving the WGPL a CML. I guess an added Rune Priest with buff powers might work OK. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3403942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Thats what the Wolves in my area are doing- using the Rune Priest to twin link the LFs, and man the gun. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3404021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Miktain Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Thats what the Wolves in my area are doing- using the Rune Priest to twin link the LFs, and man the gun. Definitely the best way to go, thats what I do too. Not sure what I'll do if they release the 2 quad fortification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3404064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 3 man LF squad with two heavy bolters? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277390-new-fortifications-end-to-our-flyer-woes/#findComment-3404067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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