Rime Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Does such a thing exsist??? I've been looking around and I haven't been able to find a complete collection of the entire Heresy in a nutshell. Because lets face it. There are 25 books (!!!) now published, along with a whole smattering of audiobooks including the Garro series (and by the Emperor I am NOT listing everything here). We have ratings, reviews and debates that go into so much detail and speculation it would give a Primarch a headache. But we have nothing that goes back and recaps on everything that has happened without conjecture or interuption from others to discuss the merits or fault on someone's opinion. I know what this suggests. A taking this size would result in several novels detailing characters, lore, battles and crusades, notable worlds, events, etc... Opinions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Collected Visions is the closest to what you're looking for. It was at the very beginning of the series, possibly just before, and chronicles it from start to finish, alongside a plethora or Heresy artwork. However, its fluff is rather dated by now. Not all of it, it is still a great read of relevant information. A potential reboot of it is in the works, I think it'll be published early next year. EDIT: Yes, Visions of Heresy is due January 2014. The question remains if it is a reboot or a continuation. The latter seems unlikely and there is some need for the former. A notable point is that the Collected Visions, and likely the new book coming out, concentrates on the grand sweep of events, not the specifics of who and what like the novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 This is one: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 Collected Visions is the closest to what you're looking for. It was at the very beginning of the series, possibly just before, and chronicles it from start to finish, alongside a plethora or Heresy artwork. However, its fluff is rather dated by now. Not all of it, it is still a great read of relevant information. A potential reboot of it is in the works, I think it'll be published early next year. EDIT: Yes, Visions of Heresy is due January 2014. The question remains if it is a reboot or a continuation. The latter seems unlikely and there is some need for the former. A notable point is that the Collected Visions, and likely the new book coming out, concentrates on the grand sweep of events, not the specifics of who and what like the novels. Probably didn't flesh my thoughts out too well. Apologies. Have the Collected Visions and it's redundant now. Hell they are even salvaging some short stories from it to fill in the gaps within anthologies. What I'd like to see is basicly an A-Z of every character of note for a start. Who they where, when do they first make an appearance, how did they effect those around them, etc... Without looking back, do you know the name of that guy the Guardmen almost beat to death for saying something that ended up happening anyway? Or the name of the Titan that weathered the Exterminatus ordered by Horus as his first act of betrayal? Or who was on the planet when the Exterminatus hit? Who was the first living saint and how did she become known as such? After 25 books do you remember every single race encountered? What they looked like? The weapons they used? The planets they were encountered on? The names of those planets? This is all part of the lore in 30k that you will never see in 40k. 40k is all bolter p@rn whereas the earlier Heresy novels where about the lore and characters. At the going rate it'll be all that is decent in the hobby. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 No, I wouldn't remember. But I honestly don't see any need for a collection such as you suggest. Star Wars did that for its Extended Universe and it was utterly worthless. I don't see it being any different here. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Yeah the Titan was des irae. I remember a plethora from it all. But that's cause I'm a heresy but with every limited edition item audiobook ebook and all that jazz but I agree I would like a character tome and an official guide for heraldry a encyclopia like tome Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelPaladin Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 You are basically talking about this: http://www.amazon.com/Stephen-Kings-The-Dark-Tower/dp/1451694873/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp But for 30k? (first example that popped into my head, huge Dark Tower nerd here) Really cool idea, but very unlikely to ever get made. Doing one for the 7(now 8) books of the Dark Tower series was a huge undertaking. But for something like the Horus Heresy? Practically impossible. Especially since it is an ongoing series, and as soon as the book could come out, it would be out of date. Maybe after the very last book in the HH is published, and if it was crowd sourced, but even still... The Heresy series is just too vast. However, it is a darn good idea, and just might be possible with a group of incredibly dedicated individuals. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Even if they released one every couple of years with updates I'd be happy, do you know how hard it is searching for reference material for the Titan legion the ember wolves I want to make 3 warhound titans with ursas claws for my HH world eaters only reference is betrayer and betrayal and even that's vague Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 There's no guarantee that whatever they make will actually have more description though. It might not even have the Ember Wolves in it. Personally I'd like to see a bit more of Legio Ulricon. Although if they made one for just the Titan Legios, I'd be very happy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3405718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted July 3, 2013 Author Share Posted July 3, 2013 You are basically talking about this: http://www.amazon.com/Stephen-Kings-The-Dark-Tower/dp/1451694873/ref=reg_hu-rd_add_1_dp But for 30k? (first example that popped into my head, huge Dark Tower nerd here) Really cool idea, but very unlikely to ever get made. Doing one for the 7(now 8) books of the Dark Tower series was a huge undertaking. But for something like the Horus Heresy? Practically impossible. Especially since it is an ongoing series, and as soon as the book could come out, it would be out of date. Maybe after the very last book in the HH is published, and if it was crowd sourced, but even still... The Heresy series is just too vast. However, it is a darn good idea, and just might be possible with a group of incredibly dedicated individuals. Yes to your link. Very much something like that. I wouldn't be suprised if Games Workshop already a guide roughly written out for the writers benefit. But I can't see them polishing it off and putting it into publication. If they haven't done something like this now, then I can't see them doing it any time soon. The Horus Heresy to date is over 26 books long (correction as I forgot about one book that was recently re-released) and nowhere close to being finished. How long do you think this series is going to go on for? It could be 50 books... It could be 60+ books. Some characters from the very first books are still present and I don't think they will be killed off. They are liked too much for that to happen. I sure don't remember the entire time line for every single one. Looking over a thread yesterday about the Dark Angels during the heresy and I realised I hadn't a clue what was going on with these character, even though I've read both books. What I prepose is simple enough. A number of checks will need to be made before going ahead of course. We need a place where we could start a thread and would it be welcome (that may not be B&C). If we could start it here we would need the Admin and Mods blessing (because you guys are awesome). Lessons from recent events Must be taken into consideration also. So outright posting pages, images and paragraphs from the books is a BIG no-no. So how do we do this thing and who will be doing it??? Simple... Everyone will be doing it. Because we can't publish a mass summary on HH characters, events, etc... without a lawsuit slapped on us, each person will have to write their own. And if everyone who happens across the project were to contrubute it would be of great help. One layout I had in mind for posting the information would be this: About: Tell people what you are sourcing (a character, world, etc...) B=Book, Ch=Chapter, Pt=Part, Pg=Page, Par=Paragraph, L=Line/s (Tell us where it is) Example: About: The fate of Corax on Isstvan V B 18, Pt 1,Pg 15-16, Par 2 Simple enough. It can be done in your own time and at your own pace. Some infomation is limited to a single book, and some books could be outright dismissed if you think it right (Mechnincum and Outcast Dead perhaps). You might not even have to search every single book to find information you want. You may have no interest in the Dark Angels so you could disregard any information about them. It would be completely personal. But if you are lacking a book, ebook or audio drama then you will have to acquire a copy for yourself (one of the downsides). Thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3406021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I would do that and I'm sure a few other dedicated individuals here on b&c would. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3406155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Although not related directly, I don't think this idea of mine would warrant a thread of its own since it is somewhat similar to this idea here... One reference I'd be really interested in would be some sort of Heresy flow-chart, which shows what links exist between the existing BL novels... Something like (bear in mind I haven't read all of these, and none in a few years, so some of those links are most likely off - like Fulgrim, I can't remember where to fit it in...) Aurelian --> First Heretic --> Know no Fear | (Erebus) | Horus Rising --+--> False Gods --> Galaxy In Flames --> Flight of the Eisenstein -(Garro)-> Oath of Moment Fulgrim --^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3406913 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Although not related directly, I don't think this idea of mine would warrant a thread of its own since it is somewhat similar to this idea here... One reference I'd be really interested in would be some sort of Heresy flow-chart, which shows what links exist between the existing BL novels... Something like (bear in mind I haven't read all of these, and none in a few years, so some of those links are most likely off - like Fulgrim, I can't remember where to fit it in...) Aurelian --> First Heretic --> Know no Fear | (Erebus) | Horus Rising --+--> False Gods --> Galaxy In Flames --> Flight of the Eisenstein -(Garro)-> Oath of Moment Fulgrim --^ That's a good graph. Since what is up for discussion is information what you have here is of relevance. There is a lot of small details and facts that need to be picked over. Stripping the novels, ebooks and audiodramas is going to reveal any gaps that may exist (pray their ain't many). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277582-horus-heresy-summary/#findComment-3406939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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