More bodies or more elites

[irwit]

Hi all

This is going to be a long one so be prepared...

basically I have my list and obviously I am tinkering with it. So my original goal was less models as I am slow at painting but wanted a 1650 point army in certain amount of time. However I am kind of ahead of schedule so may be able to add some more bodies, but I am not sure if it actually make the army any better.

Here's my starting list.

HQ

Bjorn in Lucius droppod (can charge from deepstrike)

WL in TDA, TH, SS, Bear - in WG pod

Elites

8 WG combi plasma - Pod

2 WGPL TDA CML

Troops

2 x 10GH, 2xPlasma 1x spare pod unused

Fast Attack

3TWC - Fist, 3x SS

Lucius Pod

Heavy Support

Predator, 2x Lascannon

This is option 1: So plan is turn one I have 8 plasma guns, Bjorn in combat and a Wolf lord that can tank for WG and also be in charge range turn 2. Meanwhile Ghs work way up board shooting 4 krak missiles. Predator and TWC work their way up a flank. Its low on troops but I think it will be a fun death or glory list. Its a llot in your face turn 1 so should help GHs and TWC move up the board a lot easier.

Option 2 : However I "Could" swap my Wolf lord for a Lone wolf in TDA, SS, TH and 6 LFs (5 with MLs). This give me more krak missiles and a combat monster to join the GHs. However I lose a Wolf Lord in opponents deployment zone turn 1. Is this a bad thing?

Option 3: Third option again is to then swap Bjorn for a normal dread and lose the storm shields on the TWC. This leaves enough points for a 10 man GH squad and Rune priest, I still have a dread charging to combat turn 1 but he's not as good. However I get a RP to give GHs 5+ cover and extra 10GHs to use the previously unused pod so they could go for an objective quite well.

Everything else in the list is painted and staying,, I know predators are not ideal but its a cool model and took a while to paint so it is staying

So what do you guys think then, Option 1, 2 or 3 ?

[dswanick]

First, you definitely need more Troops. I would suggest one more full size pack and two five-man packs, but at least get the two five-man pack. But i understand that's not an option with way your points are spent.

Second, consider dropping the TDAWL in favor of Arjac. With the way you have him geared, Arjac is a better buy for similar points.

[irwit]

First, you definitely need more Troops. I would suggest one more full size pack and two five-man packs, but at least get the two five-man pack. But i understand that's not an option with way your points are spent.

Second, consider dropping the TDAWL in favor of Arjac. With the way you have him geared, Arjac is a better buy for similar points.

Cheers for feedback but it was a more specific question as to how to build the specific list,  not a general what do I need.  I have edited the original post to make it read easier.  

[Wulfebane]

 

First, you definitely need more Troops. I would suggest one more full size pack and two five-man packs, but at least get the two five-man pack. But i understand that's not an option with way your points are spent.

Second, consider dropping the TDAWL in favor of Arjac. With the way you have him geared, Arjac is a better buy for similar points.

Cheers for feedback but it was a more specific question as to how to build the specific list,  not a general what do I need.  I have edited the original post to make it read easier.  

While it may be what you're hoping to hear, you're initial question (and title) asks which new models to add. Your latter options mention new models, but depend on your opponent and playstyle, so in truth we can only comment on what you're lacking. Rule of thumb is a pack of GHs per 500pts and pack of LFs per 750pts. At current roster, you're severely lacking LFs/heavy support (twin cmls don't compare), so I can only recommend Option 2. After heavys are sorted, Option 3 is my preferred go-to units.

 

And why 1650 other than preference? Standard tourney points are 1850 now, no?

[irwit]

1650 is the points of tourney I have signed up for.  I see your point and I guess the title is not the best so my bad.  

 

I could split the 2 GH packs into 4 packs of 5.   Is the more troops for objectives?  

[Wulfebane]

1650 is the points of tourney I have signed up for.  I see your point and I guess the title is not the best so my bad.  

 

I could split the 2 GH packs into 4 packs of 5.   Is the more troops for objectives?  

Typically, yes. Always a good idea to keep a 5-man in your deployment to play rear guard. Otherwise, the more bodies the better, particularly with GHs being the best tac unit in the game; you can't go wrong with having more. Bear in mind though that splitting them into smaller packs makes it easier for your opponent to wipe one out, granting a kill point, unlike SM combat squads.

[Grey Mage]

Definitely going with the more troops option. I might suggest dropping the WL too for another full squad of troops if you arent incredibly attached to the guy. Keep him for days when you dont want to run Bjorn.

[SW1]

I tend to try having 3 packs of GH's per 1,000 points.

[dswanick]

 

First, you definitely need more Troops. I would suggest one more full size pack and two five-man packs, but at least get the two five-man pack. But i understand that's not an option with way your points are spent.

Second, consider dropping the TDAWL in favor of Arjac. With the way you have him geared, Arjac is a better buy for similar points.

Cheers for feedback but it was a more specific question as to how to build the specific list,  not a general what do I need.  I have edited the original post to make it read easier.  

OK, I still think my advice stands however.  Redesignate your TDA Wolf Lord model as Arjac (they are identical, model-wise).  Remove one WG w/C-Plasma, to free up a space for Arjac in the WG pack.    Spend those freed-up 65pts on something additional, or find another 10pts somewhere to buy a five-man Grey Hunter pack.  I would advise against splitting up your current GH packs.  Two five-man packs are less durable than a ten-man pack, and you'll lose the advantage of the free second Plasma Gun.