Joeyray Posted July 4, 2013 Share Posted July 4, 2013 Morning brothers Just a quick after closing shift thought that came to me, why don't we speculate what historical figures the Emperor took up in order to guide history for his grand designs. I'd vote for Napoleon, Bismarck, Frederick the Great and possibly Prince Metternich. Each of these men sho ok the world and especially Europe which to me echos down to us in the present. Your thoughts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonofpollux Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Frederick the Great I can see. But no one else from that list. Maybe Alexander the Great? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Maybe the Emperor was all science, science, science was because when he tried religion he got nailed to a cross...... :wink: Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Isn't it said that he always stayed behind the scenes, never taking the reigns until he becomes the Emperor, while still influencing the course of humanity? That sounds to me to be more like heroes rather than leaders. Martyrs, like Jesus. Hercules, Beowulf. Rather than Alexander the Great, Julius Caesar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 No it's quoted that at times he actively took control of humanities destiny. Without ever revealing his true identity Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Angel Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Like when he destroyed the cognesynths Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I don't remember any quotes saying he took active control. I remember quotes saying you can see his influence clearly in history but he never took "command" until he became the Emperor. The cognosynths, for instance, sounded like they were taken out by an unknown warrior rather than a warlord. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 It's on the 40k wiki & I think there's a mention in an old white dwarf ill check the collection and get back to you Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpediem Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I've always imagined that the E accidentally caused the Tunguska Event, and sat out World War One in a bar somewhere in Switzerland. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Gavrilo Princep was framed! (or was the Emperor the driver who just happened to take a wrong turn, then stall the car in front of an assassin?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406968 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 He is barrack Obama! Hence why vulkan is black Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3406983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rime Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Emperor Constantine (hence where he got the title from and the love for banners)? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mantras Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I thought I read some fluff that hinted heavily he was Julius Caesar. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Possibly Moses, Muhammed, Charlemagne. He could be an adviser to them too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aegnor Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Cormac - I think the fluff said that he never revealed his true power and nature until he became the Emperor - not that he was never a ruler. I don't think anyone like Napoleon or Bismarck etc were the Emperor. They aren't 'big' enough in terms of changing course of humanity. I'd guess Alexander the Great, Confuscious, Jesus, Muhammad, Genghis Khan, I reckon the American founding fathers might have included a Malcador/Emperor double act, and the Einstein. Plus lots more instances where he never became famous, but acted as a catalyst to other innovations or changes taking place. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 I don't think anyone like Napoleon or Bismarck etc were the Emperor. They aren't 'big' enough in terms of changing course of humanity. I beg to differ Aegnor, they may not be world renown but they helped to shape Europe as it is today and if the Big E wanted to direct humanity towards his grand designs then he would need to be more than some distant mythical figure. I see it as if we don't have him under the guise of Bismarck then we have no Germany, without Germany we get no Cold War and the technology that came from it, such as improved rockets and missiles which will lead onto early space exploration and so on until humanity develops into colonisation of our neighbours. I respect your input and agree that he was not every "Big Man" in history, just some fun speculation, of course he was Elvis, that is a giving. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Nicola Tesla is another possibility. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jifel Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 Definitely Bismarck. I'm willing to bet that at some point, the Emperor has tried every approach. So I think he's been a martyr, political leader, peace activist, General, conqueror, everything really. So we have Bismarck, maybe Gandhi, I could see a US founding father, probably a few scientists, (I also just want to throw Henry the Navigator in the there.) Most major religious figures, probably at least half of the great conquerors, (Khan, Alexander, Charlemagne). There's quite a few people. I also imagine he was one of the founders of NASA. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I kind of doubt the Emperor was every major religous leader ever, given his feelings on the subject in "The Last Church." Plus, it seems to me that it cheapens humanity as a whole if all our great warriors, leaders, inventors, philosophers, etc. were the same immortal guy in disguise. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyray Posted July 5, 2013 Author Share Posted July 5, 2013 Plus, it seems to me that it cheapens humanity as a whole if all our great warriors, leaders, inventors, philosophers, etc. were the same immortal guy in disguise. I would have to say that as part of the human psyche, we tend to look up to those "Great" leaders throughout history so if the Big E was some, if not all then it is just a carrying on of the Tradition for when he unveils himself and that most of the masses will look up to him with the same awe that we give to other figures in many different fields. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I kind of doubt the Emperor was every major religous leader ever, given his feelings on the subject in "The Last Church." Plus, it seems to me that it cheapens humanity as a whole if all our great warriors, leaders, inventors, philosophers, etc. were the same immortal guy in disguise. It's possible that his view on religion is because of really bad treatment in an incarnation of a religious figure, a question of faith. And that as a result, his faith went from "gods" to "secular". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I've always entertained the notion that just because he was "guiding humanity" doesn't necessarily mean he was always someone great and benevolent in our history, I imagine that he could easily go from being Da Vinci to Adolf Hitler or Alexander the Great. You look at the sheer brutality brought forth by Primarchs and Space Marines and things like the Third Reich pale in comparison. From what we have seen of the Emperor he is a being that will do whatever is necessary to see his agenda met. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 It might not have anything to do with his own faith. After all, he was one of the only ones to know the truth. But hr may easily have attempted to use religion as a means to control the masses, a control that slips away from him so easily that he refuses to attempt it again and sees no further use for it when it runs contrary to his original plans for it. For instance, if he was Jesus he may have been intending to control Judaism. But instead he is rejected by them and his teachings are corrupted into an entirely different religion that in many ways are contradictory to his, meaning Jesus', intent. Ultimately, this bastard child religion even goes on to aid in the birth of a Chaos God, going by Khorne's ascension to Godhood during the Crusades. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legionator Posted July 5, 2013 Share Posted July 5, 2013 I kind of doubt the Emperor was every major religous leader ever, given his feelings on the subject in "The Last Church." Well he speaks about vices of religions but doesn't mention their virtues. F.I. crusades were a huge milestone for humanity's advance despite of their all brutality. Big E can use religion to some point, then it becomes useless to him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Let me clarify a bit further: I don't have a problem with the Emperor being a few important figures in history, especially mythical heroes like Romulus/Remus, Gilgamesh, or King Arthur. It's "He's every exceptional individual ever" that sticks in my craw. It's not as if we're speaking of ALPHARIUS here...:p Now, as for the Crusades birthing Khorne, I have and always will maintain that a galaxy spanning eldar empire causing Slaanesh to manifest while one planet full of humans made the other three Ruinous Powers is silly, and needs to be placed on the same pyre as half eldar Ultramarine Librarians. I prefer Khorne's description in the Black Crusade gamebook, "As long as brother has slain brother, wolf has hunted wolf, and stars have devoured their planets, Khorne has existed, and he will continue to do so as long as these things still occur." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277666-guess-the-emperor/#findComment-3407576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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