Standard of retribution?

[Polythemus]

Hey all has anyone out there figured out how to use the counterattck banner, the standard of retribution? one of my regular opponents is tau so i never get to use it, but is there a good tactic you can employ? perhaps in conjunction with standard of devastation.

 

For those that are using standard of devastation, have you found that people try to snipe you or that they try to assault the squad?

 

I suppose itd be most useful vs necron wraiths, chaos juggerlord and spawn, tyranid shrikes, and maybe demons (never played against demons so cant comment). I expect its best to try to prevent the approach of those unit types. while your main force manuvers to attack and shoot.

[3DJutsu]

Can only take one sacred banner per army mate, outside of that SoR is, imho, not that useful. Think of how many times you're assaulted vs how often you'll shoot or be shot at.

[Dirrain]

The standard of retribution is never worth it. For the same amount of points you can take the Dark Angels Company banner that gives you +1 attack in every situation, not just when you're charged. Higher utility for the same cost.

[Stormtrooper-VII]

The standard of retribution is never worth it. For the same amount of points you can take the Dark Angels Company banner that gives you +1 attack in every situation, not just when you're charged. Higher utility for the same cost.

 

The company banner is just a plain banner with the usual leadership buffs, you might be thinking of the Chapter banner but that only applies to the unit that is carrying it.

 

The standard of Retribution does have uses, but it's a lot more specialised than the other banners so you won't get as much use out of it.

[march10k]

~sigh~

 

Retribution is useful against assaulty armies on the turn in which you are charged when you're playing a gunline.  Devastation is useful against all armies every turn when you're playing a gunline.  You figure out if that means that Retribution is worth taking.

[Dirrain]

Hint - If you're charged when playing a gun line, something is horribly wrong.

[Polythemus]

in other words no one has figured out how to use it yet.

[Darkangeldentist]

It works in an infantry deathwing army. Not as useful as the standard of fortitude but it's not a bad option and a lot more affordable. Deathwing are mean enough against a wide enough range of foes for opponents to want them tied up by units that should take a long time to chew through and the extra attack from counter-attacking can really help shorten those fights.

 

A command squad carrying it will also be far less obvious a target.

 

I haven't tried it on the table so it's just theory at the moment but it seems the most potent way of fielding it.

 

Another option is for a rhino borne tactical company rush list. Lots of tactical squads in rhinos that race up the field, jump out and unleash rapid-firing death in as great a volume as they can and await retaliation in the knowledge that they'll still have as many attacks as they possibly can. Yes rhino rush is old hat in 6th but it still gets your marines up the table with greater threat and mobility than just walking and take fewer casualites usually plus you can fire smoke with a significant number of them within range of a dark shroud so the rhinos aren't quite a vulnerable as all that.

 

It's not a bad banner, simply outshone by the others.

[Cypher 102]

In a Deathwing list I would rather use the Deathwing Company Banner.  It has less range, but guaranteed attacks.

[dswanick]

in other words no one has figured out how to use it yet.

Pssh, Codex: Space Wolves has figured it out. ;)

[jeremy1391]

I've used it once when I was running Ezekiel his +1 WS bubble worked great in conjunction with this banner against aspect heavy eldar. Banshees, scorpions, spiders were in for a rude awakening after prescience rerolling overmatch, then counter attack at WS5 :}

[march10k]

I've used it once when I was running Ezekiel his +1 WS bubble worked great in conjunction with this banner against aspect heavy eldar. Banshees, scorpions, spiders were in for a rude awakening after prescience rerolling overmatch, then counter attack at WS5 :}

 

 

I do like the combo of zeke and the banner...but, seriously...4 bolter shots per marine probably would have killed even more elves.

[jeremy1391]

Rule of cool man! Salvo bolters are awesome but forging the narrative of awesome! It's not about flooring your close friends its about having a blast!

[Master Avoghai]

But it's a matter of taste... I love the idea of dakkadakka green marines, shooting waves of aspect warriors before they reach the lines, and once the smoke of weapons starts to vanish, the banner of devastation still standing on the top of a mount of eldar bodies...

 

Talking about a blast? I perfectly imagine that when a bolt meets an eldar's head it IS a blast :D