Question about Horus Heresy miniatures

[GhostMalone]

We tried that. But it caused kangaroo koala hybrids with a taste for flesh... Sigh!

 

I'm so tired of the back water western society. If America could kick the Brits out and we become the us of a (united states of Australia) we could move forward.

 

But a country full of alcoholic bogans (redneck equivalents) who still follow commonwealth laws and stipulations will never get me my forgeworld or 40k quick enough!!

[Disruptor_fe404]

It's really weird because New Zealand gets Forge World fairly quickly...

[GhostMalone]

I'm in Adelaide and our postal service is worse than the Northern Territory. The longest I've had to wait is a month but on average it takes two weeks. Three if I order late week

[Conn Eremon]

I'm so tired of the back water western society. If America could kick the Brits out and we become the us of a (united states of Australia) we could move forward.

Sorry, we only interfere where we're not wanted. :p

 

But I am a little surprised at the differences between our countries when it comes to this matter, Forgeworld pricing and shipping. I can see Australia being a harder, more expensive place to reach but not nearly to the extant it appears to be for you guys.

[depthcharge12]

Haha our 'Murican rednecks are better. Because...well red ones go faster (trying to use ork logic here)???

Maybe the draconic Brits still think you guys are convicts that will beat up their postal men with didgeradoos and boomerangs till you get what you want...though youre happy to try to see if that works

Next time your old lady complains about the price and large orders, tactfully go over to her closet and point at the nearest purse(s) and shoe(s)!!!

[Conn Eremon]

Great, now we've been cast as Orks. THANKS A LOT, DEPTH CHARGE.

[franzdietrich]

Duh, Americans are Orks. Who doesn't know that?

[depthcharge12]

Great, now we've been cast as Orks. THANKS A LOT, DEPTH CHARGE.

 

Driving trukks, shooting off guns, ululating loudly, and wrassling.

 

Who do you think GW based the orks on? you tell me...

[GhostMalone]

Australia is at the bottom of the world surrounded by seas and pirates!

 

And we're to slow and dim witted to keep up with the world.

My local gaming club finally just realised about the FW HH books.

 

Literally I go there once a month now because Australians are completely lost on 30k & even 40k

 

That's why I love B&C keeps me sane.

:D

And as for the purse and shoes I cut a deal. Every order I get she can get one thing of equal value.

 

She still complains though :/

[Kol Saresk]

Give her a bonus. She can get equal value plus another 50 pesos.

[GhostMalone]

I'd believe if I did I'd have less money for my resin crack addiction.

 

And I'm sorry but 50 pesos are my monies not hers!

 

But what can I say for 5 years she's put up with me, now she puts up with me and my resin.

[Kol Saresk]

lol, it only converts to like AUS$4.

[GhostMalone]

That's still shipping for any 5 man squad mk3 or mk5 armour!! That's four dollars for glue or for 3/4 of a GW paint or or or half a paintbrush

 

& damn it why can't forge world be Mexican.

 

I'd have my legion by now

[hisdudeness]

I think the part that bothers me is why do they not have seperate 5 packs of Jumppack for each mark.  I mean, how many of those kits would fly out the door?  Instead they release the same kit (Destroyers) with packs. 

 

I'm a little lost on their thinking with this one. 

[GhostMalone]

Yeah I agree with that I'd love to just be able to have magnetic swaps.

[Kol Saresk]

But right now, the difference between the two packs is £1. So what would the price of the Jump Packs set? £1? I mean, reasonable people will assume and be happy with the Jump Packs being about £9, the price of a command upgrade set. Maybe even £12. But what about the unreasonable people? They tend to be very vocal. Now I'm not saying all vocal people are unreasonable. Quite the contrary in a few cases.

 

But if Forgeworld releases a pack of Jump Packs, can they justify keeping the Destroyers with Jump Packs only £1 more?

 

I mean, let's look at a parallel. A pack of five Legion Marines without Breacher Shields is £23. Plus the pack of Breacher Shields, the total comes to £41. But the pack that already comes with Breacher Shields is £32, £9 more than the squad without. 50% off the price of just the shields.

 

If you transfer that to say the Destroyers with Jump Packs, then a set of Jump Packs should only be £2. Now, you and I may realize that is a very unrealistic and unreasonable expectation. Forgeworld has a profit margin to reach if they want to stay in business after all. But, if alternatively they make it say, £10(going by the price difference between a Legion Mk IV squad and a Legion Mk IV Assault) there will be unreasonable people who will scream, rant and rave about the fact that if Forgeworld had been faster, they would have had only to pay £1 more but now they have to pay £10 just to add Jump Packs. There's a whole thread complaining about the Tartaros Terminators and how much more they have to pay to get the Legion version plus the weapons versus the non-Legion version that comes with weapons already.

 

So in a way, while it is massiely inconvenient, it kind of saves them trouble. Not saying it's right, just that's better to piss everyone off keeping jump packs inaccesible while making a new bundle relatively cheap to other comparisons rather than dealing with everything that could have happened. Sort of like what they're having to deal with about the Legion Tartaros.

[franzdietrich]

Another question. Does the 5 man squad forge world sells come with bolters? it says you can UPGRADE them with a different variant of bolters but says nothing about whether they come with regular bolters or not. I'd laugh if they sold figures for $40 and expected me to pay another $18 for 5 plastic guns..

[Spinsanity]

But right now, the difference between the two packs is £1. So what would the price of the Jump Packs set? £1? I mean, reasonable people will assume and be happy with the Jump Packs being about £9, the price of a command upgrade set. Maybe even £12. But what about the unreasonable people? They tend to be very vocal. Now I'm not saying all vocal people are unreasonable. Quite the contrary in a few cases.

 

But if Forgeworld releases a pack of Jump Packs, can they justify keeping the Destroyers with Jump Packs only £1 more?

You do realize the JP destroyers don't come with standard backpacks, hence the difference in prices of only 1£?

So you're being charged .2£ more for a JP then you are for a backpack... Though how much the actual BP/JP costs still remains a mystery...

[GhostMalone]

The bolsters are separate mate :/

[GhostMalone]

Bolters*

[Kol Saresk]

Another question. Does the 5 man squad forge world sells come with bolters? it says you can UPGRADE them with a different variant of bolters but says nothing about whether they come with regular bolters or not. I'd laugh if they sold figures for $40 and expected me to pay another $18 for 5 plastic guns..

Actually that's what they do. That's why the huge bundles they do are so convenient and are a steal. they're about 12% cheaper than if you bought everything individually.

 

Right now, Tacticals and Terminators in the small set are only five minis and do not come with weapons. Almost everything else does, but they're at least £9 more than just the standard set without weapons. And in the case of the Destroyers, £9 more without Jump Packs, £10 more with them. The pricing fills itself out.

 

 

 

 

But right now, the difference between the two packs is £1. So what would the price of the Jump Packs set? £1? I mean, reasonable people will assume and be happy with the Jump Packs being about £9, the price of a command upgrade set. Maybe even £12. But what about the unreasonable people? They tend to be very vocal. Now I'm not saying all vocal people are unreasonable. Quite the contrary in a few cases.

 

But if Forgeworld releases a pack of Jump Packs, can they justify keeping the Destroyers with Jump Packs only £1 more?

You do realize the JP destroyers don't come with standard backpacks, hence the difference in prices of only 1£?

So you're being charged .2£ more for a JP then you are for a backpack... Though how much the actual BP/JP costs still remains a mystery...

Yes I did realize that the Jump Destroyers came without standard backpacks and that there was a price difference of £1 between the two. And you sort of proved my point.

 

If Forgeworld releases a set of jump packs at say, £9 for a set of 5, how many people are going to freak out when the difference between having or not having Jump Packs is £1? Granted, people like hisdudeness who are reasonable, will accept it and buy the jump packs for £9 a set because they won't have to rebuy the Destroyer squad just to get Jump Packs. But how many people are going to go "You only charged £0.20 here so why are you charging £1.80 here? You should be releasing the Jump Packs at £1 a set!"

 

That's why I brought up the parallel of the Breacher Marines. It starts at the third paragraph of my post. A breacher siege upgrade is £18. A Breacher Siege squad is £9 cheaper than a standard Legion Mk III squad plus a Breacher Siege upgrade. £20 cheaper after you add the Phobos bolters, which come standard with the Siege Squad but not with the Upgrade Pack. But, it's a noticeable enough difference that everyone realizes they are saving money so they don't say much about it.

 

But with the destroyers, people will flip out. They don't realize that a standard MK IV Assault Squad costs the exact same price as a Jump Destroyer Squad. Meaning that since it is a £10 difference between a Mk IV Tactical and a Mk IV Destroyer/Assault, an upgrade pack should be in the neighborhood of £20, following the parallel of the Breacher Squad upgrade.

 

So, £1 more to come with Jump Packs, but ~£20 just to add Jump Packs. If it was similar to the release of the Siege where the Upgrade Pack was released well before the Breacher Squad, it might be acceptable. But in reverse circumstances? How many people do you think would be happy with that? I don't see very many. Some, but not many.

[T0MMY]

In a similar vein, and if you happen to be thinking of buying some tartaros termies;

 

If you look in the "horus heresy/legions astartes/elites/terminators" section of the website the tataros guys are £33 and don't come with weapons - which are £12 as a separate selection (or £16 if you want special weapons).

 

However, if you go to the "warhammer 40k/space marines/infantry" tab and scroll down you can get a squad of 5 tartaros termies with bolters, heavy flamer and power fists for £36 as one pack. No guesses which one I bought.

Crazy crazy FW guys.

[hisdudeness]

Slow down Kol...I can be pretty unreasonable! 

 

From a marketing/business stand point I see the reason.  For me to make my jump destroyers (paid for 3 days before the kit came out) I bought the land destroyer kit and a MKII assault kit.  I had to buy more to get the options I wanted.  The nice part is I can now make a Tac Vet squad by switching the packs.  Why did they wait to release the Jump destroyer kit?  To make people like me (who would never had thought they would release such a kit) buy more. 

 

But think of how many people would buy loose jumppacks for HQ options.  I would pay 12-15GBP for 5.  But the result would be that I buy less, no need to buy an extra assault squad kit for just the packs.

 

I don't believe we can do a realistic cost to produce on FW items by pieces.  FW kits are not set sprues, they are individual part trees that can be bagged as needed.  If they wanted to make a 5 man kit with weapons tomorrow all they have to do is print a new label and bag a weapon tree with a Tac squad.  There is not that much of a cost increase as if FW made such a change.   All said, FW in much more agile in production then GW will ever be.

[Castellan Michael]

Disregard...I can't read today.

 

I agree, hold off for large buys.  Even look at doing group buys with friends to get that minimum amount.  You will get them much faster.

 

At least get the book and the FoC minimum so you can throw down the pretty resin.

That is what I do, get an order list together with friends and do large orders. We always get free shipping and fast service.  

[Coopervisor]

Slow down Kol...I can be pretty unreasonable! 

 

From a marketing/business stand point I see the reason.  For me to make my jump destroyers (paid for 3 days before the kit came out) I bought the land destroyer kit and a MKII assault kit.  I had to buy more to get the options I wanted.  The nice part is I can now make a Tac Vet squad by switching the packs.  Why did they wait to release the Jump destroyer kit?  To make people like me (who would never had thought they would release such a kit) buy more. 

 

But think of how many people would buy loose jumppacks for HQ options.  I would pay 12-15GBP for 5.  But the result would be that I buy less, no need to buy an extra assault squad kit for just the packs.

 

I don't believe we can do a realistic cost to produce on FW items by pieces.  FW kits are not set sprues, they are individual part trees that can be bagged as needed.  If they wanted to make a 5 man kit with weapons tomorrow all they have to do is print a new label and bag a weapon tree with a Tac squad.  There is not that much of a cost increase as if FW made such a change.   All said, FW in much more agile in production then GW will ever be.

 

I'm not sure I agree that they waited to make people buy more :S It is more likely they just didn't realise that people would want destroyers with jump packs when they first did them. At some point that changed and so they redid the destroyer set (note there are a couple of other small changes to the new set, rather than just the change in backpacks). 

 

As for them selling loose jump packs. I have 10 destroyers with jump packs, the first 5 I got at the FW open day and then I ordered the final 5 just 3 days before the new ones were announced. In both instances I picked up Sanguinary Guard jump packs cheap as bits from ebay, which when painted are almost identical to the Mk IV versions. I also did the same for my "rampagers" and any spare ones needed for characters. So yes FW could sell an upgrade pack for them, but unless it was very cheap, I think i'd still buy the plastic versions from eBay.