Schertenleib Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 Have been thinking of adding some Deathwatch to my Wolves. Not sure how best to do that though...Counts as Wolf Guard, Sternguard, Bikes, Jump Infantry, etc... So those that have made some Deathwatch Marines... How do you do it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfebane Posted July 9, 2013 Share Posted July 9, 2013 I planned to make an ultra-small elite force of Death Watch out of some Grey Knights, using the GK codex, once I got around to putting them together. They wouldn't be battle brothers, but that suits the fluff between the Wolves and Inquisition just fine imo. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3409588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I always thought Sternguard fitted the kit of the deathwatch almost bang on. They lack the suspensor heavy bolters, but they have gear that seems built around killing aliens; heavy flamers, combibolters, special rounds, etc. I was planning to take a unit of them with a librarian and a scout squad as obligatory troops. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3409669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Vaguely relevant, but I'm wondering how a battle brother who had returned from a secondment to the deathwatch would look? Do they keep the silver deathwatch pouldron? I thought that was the case but couldn't see anything on lexicanum. I have a few such pouldrons sitting around somewhere so thought I might give one to a wolf guard... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3409692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Vaguely relevant, but I'm wondering how a battle brother who had returned from a secondment to the deathwatch would look? Do they keep the silver deathwatch pouldron? I thought that was the case but couldn't see anything on lexicanum. I have a few such pouldrons sitting around somewhere so thought I might give one to a wolf guard... Yes, they have earned the Right to wear the Siver Pauldron of the Deathwatch after serving. I believe that it is worn but on the Right side with the Chapter/Great Company Iconography being replaced back on the left upon returning. The Pauldron and if the Marine wishes, the entire right arm may be painted silver or just wearing the Pauldron alone would be badge of honor enough to let ALL know that he has earned the distinction and respect of one who has served and reurned to the Fang. Though they never speak of their time in service, unless it is with another Battle Brother who has also served.....and even then......words are few. SternGuard rules are the closest aproximation as they have the availability of the many specialized rounds that the Deathwatch have access to. VanGuard do not. Whether of not one is promoted to Wolf Guard or not is up to the Wolf Lord to decide. Certainly elevated to a position of Pack Leader at the least I would figure. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3409705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BT_Cennar Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why not just use the official rules of the watch. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3409969 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why not just use the official rules of the watch. Don't think the points/rules are balanced right for this edition. Allied Sturnguard are the closest you'll get from the current codex available. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSniperMonkey Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 Why not just use the official rules of the watch. Where are these rules? C:SM? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt D Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I always thought Sternguard fitted the kit of the deathwatch almost bang on. They lack the suspensor heavy bolters, but they have gear that seems built around killing aliens; heavy flamers, combibolters, special rounds, etc. I was planning to take a unit of them with a librarian and a scout squad as obligatory troops. Why not just take Pedro Cantor so that it can be a troop. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 There's an old WD mini codex insert ... 2 or 3 pages but that's it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 There's an old WD mini codex insert ... 2 or 3 pages but that's it. It was a "Chapter Approved" article in WD once, but then not supported by any Codex release since and IIRC GW doesn't allow it in tournements because it's not backed by any Codex. WD is fluff and unofficial rules along with articles and battle reports....not official rule sets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatGrinder Posted July 10, 2013 Share Posted July 10, 2013 I always thought Sternguard fitted the kit of the deathwatch almost bang on. They lack the suspensor heavy bolters, but they have gear that seems built around killing aliens; heavy flamers, combibolters, special rounds, etc. I was planning to take a unit of them with a librarian and a scout squad as obligatory troops. Why not just take Pedro Cantor so that it can be a troop. Pedro only makes them scoring, not troops. You still need 1 troops and 1 HQ for an allied contingent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "The warriors who have been given the honour of becoming a member of the Deathwatch ritually repaint their armour in the black of the Deathwatch, leaving a single shoulder plate bare to signify their Chapter of origin. A Space Marine's armour is never completely obscured by the Deathwatch colours as to do so would dishonor the armour's spirit and no warrior would be willing to run such a risk. Each warrior may also bear the icon of the Deathwatch on his other shoulder plate and it is a great honor to be chosen..." Index Astartes article "Purge the Unclean" by Graham McNiell No instruction is given in this article for what happens to the armour when the duty is completed, but I believe G67 has the right of it. Valerian Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growler67 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 The recent BL paperback "Deathwatch" changes canon in that the Marines do not "ritually paint their armor" (anymore). Watch Fortress Rothi (serfs/bondsmen) tend to the Marines armor upon arrival. They have sworn their oath to their Chapter to become seconded but are NOT Deathwatch Marines until they have completed training and swear their Apocryphon Oath. After they complete their training and have so sworn, their armrr is returned to them in the Deathwatch colors. Specialized "tweaks" have made them more operationally capable than they formerly were; silenced servomotors, a specialized coating applied to the black paint that helps reduce their visual detection adding even more stealth to optical sensors, helmet upgrades and so on. With the new information into the clouded mysteries of the Deathwatch, It is still possible for Marines like Black Shields to arrive with their armor already painted (ritually or however). While it is mentioned that the Rothi tend to their duties respectful of the machine spirits within each suit of Power Armor. The modifications are done with extreme care. Not sure if this falls under "official" RetCon but there is now conflicting information sanctioned for release by GW. Decide how you wish, I've mentioned how I would represent my Space Wolves upon returning to the Fang. Keep in mind.....the Dathwatch is the Elite of the Emperors best. Selected, volunteered or serving a pennance of some sort. Regardless, once they have become Deathwatch, they know full well that their chances of returning to their Home Chapter is very low. The missions are the toughest but need to be done. Their numbers are few and support is extremely limited upon deployment. That said, for those that complete their Oath of Service and are relesased to return.....they have earned what few in the Imperium of Man will ever conceive of and fewer will ever talk about. ETA: It just seems logical to me regarding heraldry and insignisa, much like todays armed forces. The US Army for instance wears its MACOM or Major Command patch one is currentlt assigned to on the left shoulder. If one serves in a theater of combat under that MACOM one is allowed to wear it on the right shoulder as well, otherwise it remains free of such insignia. When one changes stations to a new MACOM, the new insignia is placed on the left shoulder indicating their current unit status. So it goes that when one is serving in a Great Company or Chapter, one shows it by displaying such on the left Pauldron (TDA aside). When one serves in the Deathwatch, the Inquisition Iconography of the Ordo Xenos is worn on the left side (silver in color for all the armor from the pauldron to the gauntlets) but respect is shown for ones Home Chapter with that displayed as being moved fromthe left to the right side of the uniform. Should one survive their term of service in the Deathwatch and return to their Home Chapter, one would once again be serving a a Space Wol (or whatever) and would wear their Great Company's Insignia on the left once again. Wearing the badge of distiction of the Deathwatch shoulder pauldron is an individuals choice. It would serve notice that THAT marine has done what few others have or ever will and survived against the worst of odds. I doubt anyone, even in the Great Halls would ever challenge sucha Marine, let alone a brother Wolf to a duel of any kind......it would be like insulting ones Wolf Lord or the Great Wolf himself. Best that certain ground be tread with respect. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 "The warriors who have been given the honour of becoming a member of the Deathwatch ritually repaint their armour in the black of the Deathwatch, leaving a single shoulder plate bare to signify their Chapter of origin. A Space Marine's armour is never completely obscured by the Deathwatch colours as to do so would dishonor the armour's spirit and no warrior would be willing to run such a risk. Each warrior may also bear the icon of the Deathwatch on his other shoulder plate and it is a great honor to be chosen..." Index Astartes article "Purge the Unclean" by Graham McNiell No instruction is given in this article for what happens to the armour when the duty is completed, but I believe G67 has the right of it. Valerian The Deatchwatch RPG supports his statement whole heartedly, that in most cases a brother will retain the new silver arm. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 If memory serves me right back in the mid 90's there was an army featured in the WD which had a few ex-Deathwatch marines in. They had the silver pad on the same side which the Deathwatch have the sliver arm on. Was 2 decades ago so not sure which WD it was in. Think I'll be adding an ex-Deathwatch marine to the Wolf Guard in my next ETL entry. :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3410567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SW1 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Lol ... You know when you're getting on, when you remember doing hobby stuff before a lot of your fellow hobby enthusiasts were even born. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3411282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
skeletoro Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Gah! It turns out that when I got my deathwatch shoulder pad yeeeears ago, I filed off the inquisition logo because... I have no frekken idea why. So I'm sans deathwatch shoulder pads. There goes that idea... Where does one source said pads? I mean, bits stores are an obvious answer. I'm just interested what kit they come from. Is it the command squad? Or commander box set? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3411337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Theres one, and only one, in every SM Commander box. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3411373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squark Posted August 4, 2013 Share Posted August 4, 2013 There's also a metal kit on the GW website with 10 bolters, shoulderpads, and heads for deathwatch conversions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277870-deathwatch/#findComment-3411591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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