Lord Heremes Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Hail brothers of blood. While browsing through my codex I noticed that crozius arcanum are simply describe as a power weapon. Does that mean it could be an axe or a sword or even a spear? As I recall they are generally described as maces but the codex doesn't indicate any specific of what type of power weapon it could be Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
I am Legion Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 yeah.......it's only a power maul......check the rulebook, its in there somewhere.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Heremes Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Ah yes thank you. I found it under power weapons. It essentially says if it looks like a blunt weapon on the model then its a mace. Too bad I can't find a chaplain model with a sharp edged wing crozius or I might have made it an axe for the lulz. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Sorry, but on the Official FAQ for C:BA it states that it is a Power Maul. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demoulius Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Our mighty chaplains dont hack or stab their enemies to death anymore. Instead they whack them to death with the nerf stick of epic doom! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Don't knock something that ID's pesky commissars and farseers... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Don't knock something that ID's pesky commissars and farseers...Even if it does allow most opponents an Armor Save... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baba Lem Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Don't knock something that ID's pesky commissars and farseers... Don't knock it. Knock with it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Yncarne Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 My chaplains tend to do better knocking out vehicles on the charge rather than infantry in this edition. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonaides Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Someone else did the maths a while ago - a Crozius is better than a power sword at dealing with termies due to the +2S, it also ignores anything not in PA/3+ saves (so again - Commisars/IG characters, Dark Eldar, Eldar Aspect warriors, Most Nids), causes wounded models to attack at I1 (great for stopping an I3/4 model form attacking before any power fists/TH's if you want to bash a big Nid) etc. And for us in the charge its fairly easy to get it up to S7 which threatens dreadnoughts. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 Someone else did the maths a while ago - a Crozius is better than a power sword at dealing with termies due to the +2S, it also ignores anything not in PA/3+ saves (so again - Commisars/IG characters, Dark Eldar, Eldar Aspect warriors, Most Nids), causes wounded models to attack at I1 (great for stopping an I3/4 model form attacking before any power fists/TH's if you want to bash a big Nid) etc. And for us in the charge its fairly easy to get it up to S7 which threatens dreadnoughts. Crozius vs Terminators : .139 wounds per Hit Power Sword vs Terminators : ..083 wounds per Hit Not a huge difference there. Crozius/Power Sword vs Power Armor : .278 wpH/.5 wpH There are significantly more 3+ saves in 6th Edition than 2+ Saves, and I wager that given the distribution of players playing 3+ army vs those playing 4+/5+ army there are as many PA models as models that get no save from a Crozius. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Heremes Posted July 11, 2013 Author Share Posted July 11, 2013 Ya. It won't be that effective for me then I guess. My gaming group is a SW player a SM player, a chaos player a tau and myself with BA so against most armies I will face I foresee lots of 3+ saves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3410725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Maikel Posted July 11, 2013 Share Posted July 11, 2013 They should really make the Crozius AP3 vs Chaos Marines (similar to some of the C:DA weapons). It still wouldn't be great vs loyalists, eldar/tau elites, and so forth, but it would be fluffy and would make Chaplains a bit more worth taking. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3411015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Office temp Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Mathhammer is the suck and rarely seems to reflect actual experience. Theoretically, I should have lost my rechlusiarch to many challenges by various chaos lords and champs, but actual experience has put many of these lords in a shallow unmarked graves after my chappy admonished them for their wicked ways Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3411268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Statistical dispersion in action. An average is not what happens every time, just the most likely result spread over an infinite amount of situations. Mathhammer is often oversimplified (by necessity) but it still gives you a general idea of the expected outcome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3411376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ushtarador Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Just give your chappies a power fist and you're good ^^ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3411378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
appiah4 Posted July 12, 2013 Share Posted July 12, 2013 Just give your chappies a power fist and you're good ^^ This. It's cheap as hell, and more useful than a swiss army knife. My kitbash chaplain wields a cudgel and a fist. And kicks ass. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/277944-crozius-arcanum/#findComment-3411394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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