Heresy era Space Wolves

[VVolf]

Hi,

 

I've been thinking of starting a heresy army and thought that as I've always wanted a Space wolf force i'd combine the two. From what I understand they didn't change much leading up to 40k so I could use them for both. The main thing i'm pondering about is would the grey hunter kit be all usable or does it contain post heresy armour?

[kapturowski]

Yeah, the Grey Hunter kit is almost exclusively Post Heresy armour except some mkVI parts if memory serves me right. However, it doesn't have the Aquila on the chest for the most part, it's mainly Wolf motifs instead and I think most of the parts could be used. The helmets are mostly mark VII but if you go for the bare heads that isn't a problem..

[Kais Klip]

On the contrary, and cheers for the fuzzy smug feeling opportunity, Grey Hunter power armour looks like Mark VII; Mark VII was developed and introduced prior and during the Horus Heresy, as was the core of all astartes armour marks. Thus aesthetically if you are a stringent follower of established fluff, Grey Hunters would be valid to use as they are in a Heresy time frame. 

 

Lack of technological progress really does mean that; not a lot of new stuff from the ten odd millenia between the Heresy and the present setting. 

[Kol Saresk]

At the time the Heresy erupted, Mk IV was the most advanced armor mark in mass distribution. Mk VI was produced before the Heresy and distributed during and after. Mk VII is an advanced version of the armor made exclusively for the defenders of Terra because that was where it was made and the supply lines were whacked. So the Heresy-era Wolves would have no access to the armor until after the Heresy.

[Kais Klip]

Short of fluff-valid shenanigans such as the fact that packs of wolves were pretty much everywhere around the Imperium (BA at Signus Prime, plenty of others escape me) and so could quite feasibly get their hands on either experimental or finalized versions. Valid enough for a fluffhole like me to let it slide, moreso if its only a squad. 

 

"Since you're here guarding the lobby I've figured you might as well put on this new armour mark we've got, you can do it right here and now I'm sure Suzy the magos-secretary wouldn't mind- oh whats that you've just got urgent orders to be somewhere else alright no time to get dressed take it and go love you sweetums bye!"

[Kol Saresk]

Except that The Outcast Dead has all of the Wolves leaving Terra concurrent to Istvaan V. In Deliverance Lost, the Imperial Fists don't finish seizing the Mk VI and its makers until after the Raven Guard leave Terra. Chronologically speaking, the Wolves had no access to it because there were none there to have access.

However, there is a loophole of sorts. I direct your attention to the Mk IV Sarum-Pattern breather. Featured in Forgeworld's Betrayal, page 93.

http://images.wikia.com/warhammer40k/images/e/e7/WE_Pre-Heresy_Scheme.jpg

It looks remarkably like the Mk VII. So far, we have only seen it in the possession of the World Eaters, but since it is incorporated into the Mk VII, it must have been more widespread. How widespread, well that's up to you.

[VVolf]

Thanks guys, after taking a closer look it does seem mostly mark vii. Although I could mix a set with a forgeworld heresy set, I just don't want something generic and those wolves seem perfect to me.

[Kol Saresk]

Hey, just say that it is very customized Mk IV armor. If someone doesn't believe, show them the Sarum pattern.

[Conn Eremon]

And if someone seriously gets their shorts in a bunch over it, hit them over the head with the heaviest rulebook you got and take ten percent of their miniatures.

 

It's only fair.

[Kol Saresk]

Ooh, a mini tax, likey likey.

[Durfast Spiritwolf]

I intermixed FW resins, GW plastic SWs and 2nd and 3rd Edition metals to make up my VI Legion force.

 

The plastic sets are a useful source for wolfy bits, ornate armour etc, which you can mix with Mk II-IV parts to make a suitably individualistic force. I think the 'ballet dancing' 3rd Ed Wolf Scouts work as is, as do the Wulfen, and the resin support arms fit the 2nd Edition Long Fangs with some juggling.

 

Still, I'm sure to revisit the army once the Prospero Book eventually turns up :)

[lokkorex]

i'd say mix-n-match to your hearts content!

 

if they ultrasmurfs could make the praetor pattern, i'm sure a few iron priests could hammer forth a variant Mk.2, 3 or 4 armour that looks like a mk.7

[Spinsanity]

i'd say mix-n-match to your hearts content!

 

if they ultrasmurfs could make the praetor pattern, i'm sure a few iron priests could hammer forth a variant Mk.2, 3 or 4 armour that looks like a mk.7

Since we can now expect some more variant patterns to come out (since FW has released their first custom pattern in the SoH Reavers), I don't see why not... The new SoH Reavers are clearly a variant mix of Mks III and IV (maybe Mk 3.5?) - Mark IV legs, arms and bpacks, variant Mk IV helmets (and variant enough to possibly be completely distinct), a chestplate that looks alot more like Mk III than Mk IV, and shoulder pads that are definitely Mk III...

 

So Mix and match all you want, come up with your own 'Frostbite' pattern armour (or however you want to call it)... I'm pretty sure the Vlka Fenrika are the only ones who wear the elaborate leather masks and suits under their armour instead of the usual undergarments other Legions use, so they very well might have armour of a completely different design...

[Emperor's Scourge]

I mix the SW kit with FW kits.  All you need is a hobby saw/hobby knife and beginner level green stuff sculpting ability.  Also, check out 3rd party bits sites like Anvil Industry and Maxmini for things like top knots/wolf fur cloaks/etc etc