GhostMalone Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 So I'm building a warden for the world eaters and need ideas on a heresy era scheme. Maybe referencing when the black armour was brung in or what exactly is the history for the legions. I'm aware of the edict and I've had many combos on the origins from the word bearers, just need to try keep it fluff appropriate Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I recall very little on the matter. Supposedly, the 'skull-face' was already a thing when they were introduced, I think. Don't know about the black armour. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Afaik only Blood Angels had Wardens, the others had chaplains, they both wore black though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The black armor is as early as Monarchia. Xaphen is described as his armor actually matching the color of his brothers' armor as the ash turned the black to a dull grey. I can't help with the skull. The only skull-helmet I can recall off the top of my head is the Emperor's Children Chaplain that was killed by Lucius in Galaxy in Flames. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 The Dark Angels Chaplain Nemiel had a skull helm to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Nemiel became Brother-Redemptor sometime around the beginning of the Heresy correct? Hmm, did Xaphen have a skull helm in The First Heretic? part of me wants to say yes but I don't really have my books with me so I can't confirm or deny it. EDIT: Reason being is that if Xaphen has it any point in the book, we can use that as a reference of sorts since the book covers fifty years. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I thought I read in one of the recent novels that the word bearers chaplains changed heir colour to lack due to some great shame, and the other legions followed suit. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 So no go with the title warden if that's blood angels. Now I am set on the skull helm and black but now I need a title Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 @spu00sed: If that's the case, it is either in an e-book or an audiodrama. I know one of the reasons for the Black Legion painting their armor black is out of shame. Could you perhaps be thinking of that? @Jaspcat: Not necessarily. As far as I know, while we have only seen the title "Warden" in the Blood Angels, nothing says that it is unique to them. For all we know, they appropriated it from the World Eaters. Of course, maybe you can call them "the Keepers", to represent how they have to keep those most afflicted by the Nails under control and maybe give them a side job as keeping count for victories and defeats in the arena of their assigned ship. That way, they are a Keeper of Score and Men. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 There was a thread on here already, which might have been eaten by the crash, where World Eater Chaplains were discussed. One of the potential titles I brought up was Doctore, which means teacher, and was given to certain gladiators who were tasked with the training and discipline of a gladiator troupe (can't remember what their colleges were called). Not only was he responsible for keeping the gladiators in shape and honed, but he was also the face and voice of their owner, ensuring his rules were followed to the letter and issuing out punishments where necessary. Anyone who has seen a Sparticus film or television show need only look at the character Oenomaus to know what I am talking about. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Yeah, jaspcat was in charge of that thread too, but I think it was a general discussion thread while this is a brain storm thread. Could be wrong though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I seem to recall chaplains of the word bearers chaplains painted their armour black to represent the shame of Monarchia. However you then have Nemiel who wore black but they could of just been because the Dark Angels wore black and Charmosian who wore purple as an Emperor's Champion. So it's entirely possible that chaplains simply wore the colour of their legion, wardens on the other hand did wear black as opposed to red. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Then why would Xaphen have his armor black at the muster at Monarchia? I can't get the page number, but it was well within the first few pages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Well so far his role is executioner for killings outside of the arena for the XIVth company. Also I want him to be more of a father than angron. I want him cool calm and collected, yet still will just backhand the :cuss eating grin off any world eaters face in a blink of an eye. I was thinking no official name just a position. I like the Spartacus reference but I don't want them to be Romany or slave backgrounds necessarily I want the company to be more loosely based on a more naturally occurrent rage that's intensified by the nails. A lot of hardcore music with instrumental orchestral breakdowns is how I picture them. Slow motion movements with a blank face of emotion as they kill one victim after another, that is till they come across a prize worthy of killing. Then the beast is released Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Ooh! Ooh! Ooh! I know! You can call him Jerry Springer! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 I like it ;) Is the security guy Steve? If so ill name him Steve Has more time seeing titties then doing his job Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Then why would Xaphen have his armor black at the muster at Monarchia? I can't get the page number, but it was well within the first few pages. I'm not sure, continuity is not always 100% in these books. Maybe it's because he was of a higher rank or something, I made a similar thread elsewhere when I was trying to figure out how to use a chaplain prior to Nikea and this issue came up there to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Hmm. Well what exactly is the source for it being painted in shame of Monarchia? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I'm 98% sure it's in The First Heretic, I can't find the book at the moment though as it's late but I'm certain it had to do with the ash storm that blew in after the bombardment of Monarchia and the chaplains painting their armour black to remember it and what had happened. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415670 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 That would be weird since in The First Heretic is when it talks about the ash covering Xaphen's black armor and making it resemble that of his brothers while they were standing at the muster, waiting to learn what was going on. Dangnabbit, we need someone with the book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Hmm it's possible I've remembered it wrong or misread, it's been a while, I'll try find the book tomorrow. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 Cormac the gladiator training camp was called a ludus. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 9, 2013 Share Posted August 9, 2013 Well so far his role is executioner for killings outside of the arena for the XIVth company. Also I want him to be more of a father than angron. I want him cool calm and collected, yet still will just backhand the :cuss eating grin off any world eaters face in a blink of an eye. I was thinking no official name just a position. I like the Spartacus reference but I don't want them to be Romany or slave backgrounds necessarily I want the company to be more loosely based on a more naturally occurrent rage that's intensified by the nails. A lot of hardcore music with instrumental orchestral breakdowns is how I picture them. Slow motion movements with a blank face of emotion as they kill one victim after another, that is till they come across a prize worthy of killing. Then the beast is released I thought it was generally accepted that 'bad guys' only listen to dubstep? I mean...the Emperor's Children, when they said drop the bass...they really dropped the bass @jaspcat Maybe your chaplain could be called a Tallier? He notes who becomes worthy of note worthy marks/medals, and tallies the skulls taken by his men? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 Hmmm I like that title. As for the music brother northlane bring me the horizon the amity affliction in hearts wake and so on are my soundtrack for the world eaters. So far I have the idea of black unadorned armour no helmet skull no corzius rather a ceremonial massive axe. He is the trainer and judge of the gladiator rings who also enforces legion sanctions against the company when a WE loses complete control and puts his brothers at risk. He is considered to be a surviving Terran from the start of the legion as the warhounds. Quote; the emperor never cared for us he kept us chained like the dogs he led us to believe we were, our gene sire broke those chains and set us free, but never did we believe that he didn't care for us, but when the realisation came that we were nothing to him and that the bones of mere mortals were worth more than our legion in his heart we had lost the choice and had to follow him into rebellion, our brothers would be destroyed on that blasted planet by a demi-god that we had no loyalty for and no brotherhood with, we were destined to be the traitors they deem us to be. So don't fight for our primarch don't fight for the warmaster don't even fight for the gods who need our devotion. But fight for the release that those blasted scraps of metal give us all so we may yet be free to finally know peace. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278162-warden-and-chaplains-heresy-era/#findComment-3415866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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