Lost Sons

[Conn Eremon]

That's what I feel. The Illuminati encounter a Perpetual, formulate their Sensei theory and begin collecting any and all they think might fit the bill.

 

The whole thing about them having no idea who they are could be the irrationality of the Illuminati.

 

"A son of the Emperor!"

"Well, actually I am not rela--"

"He knows mot of his true nature! Quickly, implant the revered Xvox upon his vocal cords, so that he may not hear his own lies of ignorance!"

"Mmrmf!"

[Kol Saresk]

I can see it now with poor Cyrene and no psyker powers.

 

"Quick, lift that rock with your mind!"

 

"I can't do that."

 

"Hmm. She's good. She's mastered the blank so well that if I didn't know any better, it would seem like she has no powers. Quick, get the Motivator!"

 

*bzzzzp

 

"Oh! Get that grox-prod away from me! *bzzzp "Ouch! You beepitybeepbeepbeepity!"

 

"Don't worry Sensei, we'll jolt your powers back into you!"

[Entei]

Sorry for necroing, but I re-read Unmarked today and noticed something interesting and didn't want to start a whole new thread.

 

 

 

"Oll feels he ought to be flattered. He is a Perpetual, and such beings are far from common. Nevertheless, they are insignificant in the universal pattern. A renegade Perpetual, on the run with a handful of humans… that is hardly a threat against schemes that encompass light-centuries of space and epochs of the universe."

 

Perpetuals do not upset the plans of the Warped Ones. To me this sounds like the Perpetuals are something akin to Daemons, but free from Chaos' bonds.

Also, he refers to himself as renegade, which suggests that Perpetuals are usually a unified group. It's also heavily implied, if not certain, that the Emperor is a Perpetual. Okay, so we can deduce that the Perpetuals usually work together towards a common goal, and that the Emperor is a Perpetual. But even so, we can't have a good basis for belief that the Perpetuals work with the Emperor because of that, since the Emperor might also be a renegade. However this quote hints that they do:

 

"I’ve always had faith. That’s why he never liked me, and never brought me into the trusted circle."

 

This hints that the Emperor possibly has a group of Perpetuals close to him, which Oll was excluded from because of his faith.

 

I might be grasping at straws, but what do you guys think?

[Kol Saresk]

Plausible. I mean, there is the part in Legion where John Grammaticus recalls the Emperor trying to recruit him in his first life. Howevere, I'm not sure that all the Perpetuals are not wholly cohesive into one unified group. In Know No Fear, Grammaticus tries to recruit Oll for the Cabal IIRC. And someone does take the time to try and recruit Cyrene in Betrayer after she becomes a Perpetual.

 

And on that note, I don't think they are exactly like daemons. One of the things about Horus is that he was never possessed. He never ascended. But he still accumalated a massive amount of warp power. Not only that, but Cyrene's situation confirmed that at least in the first death, the Perpetuals are directly exposed to the warp. And that exposure certainly does seem to be pivotal to their development.

 

The other thing is, Grammaticus, the Emperor and

possibly Vulkan, since many of the Primarchs seem to have some psychic potential

are the only Perpetuals that have been shown to have psyker abilities. Oll is shown to have to use certain tools in order to sense the warp IIRC. One thing about Daemons is that even Bloodletters are still able to warp the material around them.

 

I think the Perpetuals are similar in that the warp sustains their lives, but that is all really does for them. Granted, that can be more than enough time to accumulate enough pow to say, become the Emperor of Mankind and enough knowledge to build at least four generations of super-augments.

[Entei]

Those may be the only ones who have shown psychic abilities, but also in Unmarked: "It is not as if Oll’s a psykana, lighting the way. Oll’s never had the sight, or any of the other gifts that the Perpetuals often have: no sight, no mindgloss, no telekine or pyrokine."

 

And it seems like they either reincarnate or posesses human bodies, since Oll can't remember which of the countless hands he's had that wrote something in his notebook. You have to remember also that Grammaticus is the way he is because of the Cabal, although the differance between him and other Perpetuals might be hard to discern, since we know so little about them.

[Conn Eremon]

You know what the Perpetuals always reminded me of, more than the Sensei? The shamans. We know many of these immortals sacrificed themselves to create the Emperor, but was it all of them? Were there more, later on in time? Did smaller groups create lesser Emperors? Could they then be artificially created, like Grammaticus' Perpetualness, or granted onto another through the sharing of body and soul, like with too lazy to spoiler tag guy?

 

It's possible, and I don't remember anything that would contradict it. It's one theory.

[Kol Saresk]

In the case of Grammaticus, right up until

Vulkan Lives

he was constantly talking about being given a new body every time he dies. However, that seemed to be unique to just his situation. That is no longer the case. And possession does seem like a nice way to write it off, except that in Betrayer, who did the Perpetual who was flambeaued possess since there was no one near by?

[Adra'Melek]

Are there any indicators that the shamans were actually immortal in any way? I always thought they were just early psykers.

[Entei]

In the case of Grammaticus, right up until

Vulkan Lives

he was constantly talking about being given a new body every time he dies. However, that seemed to be unique to just his situation. That is no longer the case. And possession does seem like a nice way to write it off, except that in Betrayer, who did the Perpetual who was flambeaued possess since there was no one near by?

They may be able to change the hosts appearance? I'm sure there were humans somewhere not too far away on the ship. I'm not saying I think they work exactly like Daemons, but it's a cool concept.

[Kol Saresk]

It just seems a little iffy to me is all. Especially in the case of

Vulkan Lives as there was no nearby human for Grammaticus and apparently he no longer needs a new body to transfer into

.

[Entei]

I haven't gotten through the beginning of Vulkan lives yet, but Grammaticus has said that he's not a true perpetual, but again we cannot know what that means exactly. It's just nice to have some theories.

[Kol Saresk]

True enough.