GhostMalone Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Would they be black or white? We know that nocturnes gravity and blah makes a reaction with the geneseed. But what about the terrans? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Once they were reunited with Vulkan and relocated to Prometheus, their skin would change. Vulkan Lives (new HH Novel) touches on this briefly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 It did? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 Yeah it talks about one of the units being made up of all Terrans and the describe them as having the same ebon skin and red eyes as all the others. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 I remember that, but I just didn't recall anything saying that their skin color changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurgan the Lurker Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 It didn't explicitly say "their skin changed" but it describes them as looking just like Nocturnian Salamanders so one can assume the gene-seed was effected in a similar manner. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 So it could actually end up being that the gene-seed was always that way though, not necessarily a byproduct of Vulkan having Nocturne as a homeworld? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 so with the Black skin, are we talking like a Dark African skin tone or a jet black skin tone? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424566 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 In the case of the Salamanders, I think it would be better to describe it as an onyx black. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 16, 2013 Author Share Posted August 16, 2013 Ebony no ivory!!! Couldn't help myself Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted August 16, 2013 Share Posted August 16, 2013 says the guy in white warplate! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3424800 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Kyme have already answered about it on his blog. The terran salaanders were normal but when they relocated on Nocturne their skin and eyes changed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3427842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Huh. That is weird. So actually though, there could be Terrans who are still pearly whit with blonde hair and grassy green eyes who have yet to go to Nocturne out there somewhere then, if going to Nocturne is indeed the catalyst for causing the change in appearance. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 So...Salamander geneseed reacts to Nocturne by making the recipient look like Nocturne...? Wouldn't it be much, much simpler if it was just on the geneseed, period? Get injected, look like a daemon while still visiting your parents (warning: parents' loving embrance while looking like a daemon not included). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hasn't that always been the case, since the retcon to pure black skin and red eyes? It is Nocturne's unusual radiation that interacts with Salamander gene-seed. Meaning other worlds may have a similar effect, though to a different outcome. However, it'd have to be a place the Marine spends a lot of time on, more than anywhere else including shipborne travel, like is the case with Nocturne. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Hmm, radiation...meh, I'm not saying it doesn't work, it's just that the "All in the geneseed" solution is way simpler. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 It is the gene-seed, isn't it? All Marines have that organ that affects their skin and eye hues depending on the radiation they are in, to better protect them. Raven Guard and Salamanders have something wrong with theirs. The Ravens' just don't work, which is why they are so pale all the time. The Sallies are in overdrive and are of greater permanence. They spend most of their time on Nocturne. Their gene-seed working to counter Nocturne's special blend of radiation leads to their demonic look, which becomes permanent. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 The Night Lords have something wrong with theirs too as well. Usually the only way to tell the difference between a Nostraman and a non-Nostraman was the presence of an iris. Nostramans don't have them while everyone else's has been darkened to the point that they look like they don't have them. But a Night Lord doesn't have to go to Nostramo for these effects to take place. In the case of the Prophet in Void Stalker, it is a physical impossibility for him to go to Nostramo. I'm with Greyall, the radiation bit is "eh" because it means that in order to suffer from it, either you or the gene-see implanted into you actually has to suffer from it. Which means that there could be an all-Terran Expedition Fleet that has yet to go to Nocturne and still has baby blue eyes, brown hair and pearly white skin. Cormac: IIRC, normally the changes about those organs are temporary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 Which is why I said there was something wrong with theirs, creating a greater permanence. And yes, you are right, though I actually like that, myself. The idea that you can have Salamanders with radically different appearances. I am in fact using that myself when I get around to posting my Storm Bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 In fact in Vulkan Lives it is said that the 18th Legion was nearly destroyed before finding Vulkan . So not a lot of Terran were pre-Nocturne fortress. And after that they all are trained on Nocturne. In fact even the Nocturnan look human, when they take the salamander geneseed it take a few times to have the apparence of the actual salamanders (trilogy of tome of fire). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 19, 2013 Share Posted August 19, 2013 I don't remember that it said the entire Legion was there. I walked away thinking that most of the Legion was there. Have to doubke check. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3428118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I don't remember that it said the entire Legion was there. I walked away thinking that most of the Legion was there. Have to doubke check. What do you mean ? About Nocturne being the only one chapter world of the salamanders ? If it is that I am not sure it is said in Vulkan Lives, but I am talking of the Index Astartes because we have. No news about it. Perhaps more news in the future withe "Massacre" from Forge World, the next Horus Heresy Codex. For what I know from this future codex and my reading of Vulkan Lives, I think Kyme have worked with them for the salamanders heresy data. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3429039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 This is what Kyme posted on his blog on 26 Jun 2009, The black skin (which is jet-black like cobalt or onyx) and red eyes (which do burn and glow in darkness) is brought about by the radiation of Nocturne reacting with the genetic implantation a Salamander is subjected to as part of his apotheosis from human to Space Marine. It’s a melanin quirk, a genetic sport particular to Salamanders, like fangs and blood hunger are to Blood Angels and fur and feral tendencies are to Space Wolves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3429078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I actually liked the change to the Salamanders. It looks bloody awesome and contrasts with their very humane demeanour. Though I'm sure there are more than a few people rescued by them to have died from a heart attack. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3429082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fission Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 As often said in codex and novels, their "demoniac" aspect have ended many rebelion without the need to shoot a single bolt... Me too, I love the contrast between their appearance and humanistic beliefs, as Dak'ir is questionning himself in the Tome of Fire trilogy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278485-terran-salamanders/#findComment-3429154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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