Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I'm really worried about the pose of my Praetor, at first I thought it was quite ok but the longer it goes on the more I'm disappointed with it and the more I think it's a bit to static, atm he's go on foot up on a rock and his hammer held back as if he's about to swing but it just doesn't seem right, does anyone have any suggestions? http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/3841/1uy2.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Something's wrong with his hammer arm, it seems both too long and too thin compared to his hand. See if you can find a bulkier arm, maybe one with a gauntlet like his gun arm. Other than that, the model and pose are awesome. Personally, I'm not the biggest fan of romanesque crests for Salamanders, I'd shave the hairs and leave it solely metallic or put some curved bone spikes following the crest, but that's a matter of personal taste. I like it a lot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 The arm is attached to the body quite significantly, so it's hard to alter that bit :/ I went with the crest because in Vulkan Lives there's a picture of Numeon the Pyre Guard Captain and he has that helm on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I think it looks okay. Nice use of the Vulkan Hestan mini. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hmm...well, maybe a different hammer hand, then? It might just be a trick of the eyes. Nothing wrong with the pose, methinks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 It has a very strong leading the charge like pose. Like Theoden at Palandor Fields in LOTR. "This way lads, I spy me some heretics, its clobbering time!" It will look great with some paint on. I like the choice of helmet too, puts it in the Heresy period nicely. Looking forward to paint. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Firstly I want to say I live the model. Every section of it is lovely. However like you said something looks off as a whole. For me the hammers face Hammer arm And legs Are the problem They don't seem to mesh together. The torso, head and nuclear revolver arm are all about moving forwards. Not nessersarily in a charge, but at the point of charging. However the feet don't seem to be portraying this action. Also the hammer head seems to be facing the wrong way to be charging, or about to start charging, forwards. It is the sort of position designed to deliver a blow to the side of the abdomen, but it looks wrong with the rest of the model. Finally, if you are finding the arm too long you best bet is to cut it off at the cuff near the hand, I know it will be a small piece left, then file down the arm by a multimeter or so. Could we also have some shots from some other angles. Maybe it looks different from a different perspective. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Do these help? Do you think it may be better if I switch it around, so that the pistol arm is the right arm and the left arm is the hammer arm and he's walking to the right rather than the left? The hammer arm is on a pin atm to and it's easily able to be re-positioned or removed, for example I've just been able to remove the hammer with hand, the pistol arm and the head without problems. http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/2748/z4np.jpg http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3482/s9bx.jpghttp://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1386/v2fr.jpghttp://img198.imageshack.us/img198/8996/8mre.JPG Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/1386/v2fr.jpgThis picture makes him look like he is running a the camera, but looking away. Could you move the head to this direction, and possible lower the hammer so it is in a guard position across his chest? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemid Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The direction of the legs don't match the head, neither of which mesh very well with the awkward angle of the arm when given a hammer. It makes me wonder why the normal mini doesn't look awkward, too. Additionally, the hammer hand seems too large (TDA hand, yes?) which just calls attention to that spot and makes it feel extra weird. You don't swing a hammer with your elbow tucked into your torso like that. And I know that's mostly the sculpt. First thing to do is align helmet with legs and see how that feels, I think. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429417 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I agree with spu00sed, the feet and legs are giving the impression of movement in a different direction then the head suggests. Also i think the hammer hand is at an odd angle in relation to his elbow. Try placing your arm out, elbow to the side and hand thumb up. It doesnt feel natural and i think that's what makes the arm look odd. he will look fantastic once you have nailed the pose though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8789/61a3.jpghttp://img856.imageshack.us/img856/18/9a51.jpghttp://img708.imageshack.us/img708/9272/8acj.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/4170/ggqs.jpgI'm fine with swapping the hammer if needs be, I still have the polearm that Vulkan carries (although the hand is what is holding that hammer now). The base on which I converted the thunder hammer is the heresy era thunder hammer, it appears though that there may of been a slight size discrepancy between the forgeworld mold and the normal 40k mold. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I think the body is now moving in the correct direction. Would it be possible to have the hammer head facing inwards, like he was swinging it around? edit: and to be annoying holding it slightly further up the shaft, will make the hold look stronger. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I agree with demon, it is the elbow and the hammer they don't match up. A swap of weapon hands could fix it. Another possible could be to slide the hand up the shaft closer to the head. It could help to balance the model (does that make sense?) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 slide the hand up the shaft closer to the headmust...resist...jokes... bah That's what she said.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 slide the hand up the shaft closer to the headmust...resist...jokes...bah That's what she said.... I play slaanesh. Such comments come naturally to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Not sure what you mean turning it to face inwards. The arm it's self can't move at all as it's fully attached to the body, the only thing i can move it the hand at the wrist. I guess I could use green stuff to make it seem like he's in a fencers pose and give him a sword or maybe reattach the spear to make it look like he's thrusting it? Or and this is a bit far out there, I give him a jump pack and a second pistol and make him a moriat? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429482 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 slide the hand up the shaft closer to the head must...resist...jokes...bah That's what she said.... I play slaanesh. Such comments come naturally to me.:D Back the model, if you could repose the hand so the shaft is more parallel with the arm it will also help the sense of motion. You will probably need to greenstuff the gap though. edit: i mean the smashy smashy side of the hammer facing towards the body of the model so it looks like he is brining it down on a traitors head in front of him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Something like this? http://img542.imageshack.us/img542/5319/9hxg.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 Hmm.. bit to much, i think you need the thumb still at the top of the inside of the arm but at an angle so the shaft is over the top but not quite parallel, and the hammer head and dragon head need to be swapped. I'm not really explaining well sorry. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 So not like this then? http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/6339/0m0g.jpg If I swap the hammer head around with the salamander, the hammer will be upside down and facing upwards. Edit or do you mean this? http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/2194/ghno.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 The top one is closer to what I mean, it looks like he is bringing his hammer down with force, although leaving him self a bit open and off balance. if you want it as a bit of a side swing, so he doesn't look off balanced, the shaft bottom needs to be heading outside the model, not inside as it is now, then if you lower the thumb slightly to the centre but keep the hand angle, the hammer should look more naturally in swing. However then you would need to swap the position of the hammer head and the dragon head. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 This? http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/8575/a2lq.jpg Or this? http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4346/jl8f.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 Or maybe just go for this? http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5648/fvvu.jpg http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/6606/4ma7.jpg http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/2483/zme0.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I like e bottom one of post 21. Though the spear pose does also work, so would a sword or glaive in the position. It just seems hard to pont with a hammer and make it look good. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278693-could-use-some-help-with-my-praetor/#findComment-3429545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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