Scars Episode XI Updated 16/10 (Spoilers)

[Greyall]

Remind me again, is Arvida

 

 

The Thousand Son who was interrogated? I though Khârn had killed him

 

[hopkins]

 

Khârn was off fighting with the word bearers against bobby g's boys in betrayer, so unless there's a timeline headache, he can't still be on prospero?

 

more musing on mortarion/nikea

yesugei dreams of the khan on a planet of embers fighting a nameless, faceless shadow

 

i sense a primarch fight brewing

 

[Emperor's Furor]

Ok some spoilers

The Word Bearers ship is fully taken, Bion Henricos the iron hand is tasked with figuring out what a machine they've found it meant to do, Xa'ven and Yesugei go to question Ledak a previously captured Word Bearer. He won't speak though only uttering his name and rank, Yesugei gets impaitence and resorts to smacking him and then using his psychic powers to burn the Word Bearers face with lightning, Xa'ven raises his gun on him to get him to stop and he apologises and is shamed by Xa'ven's words.

Shiban has a race in the depths of a strike cruiser, he nearly takes his head off getting through a narrow gap, he's beaten in the end though and it's revealed his pursuer was Torghun the Terran. They have a sit down and chat over a glass of wine and Torghun tries to coax him into joining the lodge, Shiban sees through it and understands Hasik had sent him, after Shiban presented Hasik with the lodge medallion he found. Shiban dwells on whether to go or not and eventually relents conceding while he's not been convinced he will do it out of loyalty for Torghun rescuing him during Brotherhood of the Storm as well as all the other insightful ideas he's taken on board.

Bion is exploring the machine and thinks about how hard it is to do so with the armour he now has on that's almost fully fused to his body, it helped them on the station but working on the machine it's obstructing him, he talks about how he saw the feed of when his Primarch died and how only battle seems to quell his anger now although he also states Xa'ven saved him from his suicidal mind and he would be honoured to of been a Salamander in any other universe. He finally figures out the machine which is built on another machine but has been altered with strange devices, both rudimentry sometimes and other times organic, he stands back and the thing begins to power up, the voxs to get Yesugei and Xa'ven as he realises what it's for.

Yesugei awakes having the same dream of his Primarch facing a faceless being on a volcanic world, Xa'ven enters and they head to a shuttle to transfer over to the word bearers ship as they are on the Sickle Moon. Yesugei starts telling him about Nikaea and how it all went wrong, two points are raised here, Khan was the one truly behind the rules of the Librarius, Magnus was all for achieving greater power but it was the Khan who was holding the Librarius back from achieving that, Magnus really screwed the pooch during his testimony by proclaiming his search for power and Yesugei struggled to get his power across due to his poor Gothic which he believes made people think he was a barbarian. The Khan SHOULD of been there but Horus ordered him to Chondax, it was Horus who stopped the Khan from defending the Librarius, although Yesugei has begun to believe someone else was responsible (kind of like how the daemon coerced the Space Wolves into destroying the Thousand Sons) The Salamanders librarius was dissolved after some brief arguments and were folded into the standard ranks, this links in well with Scorched Earth tbh.

The White Scars fleet turns up at Prospero the planet is ravaged and black and the Khan orders them to fire on any Space Wolves ships that turn up, there's a barrier stopping them from drop podding or flying down but teleportation is possible and so the Khan descends with his 12 Keshig, terminator bodyguard. He arrives near the big pyramid with a burned out Warhound titan lying next to it, there are no life signs but he states there are caves, and they will start there.

 

 

On the question of who is first captain, I think it might be Qin Xa, he seems to be the senior figure of the Bodyguard.

[Kol Saresk]

Guys, just a reminder. The Razing of Prospero happened just after Davin in the timeline. So there is time between the Razing an Betrayer.

[Cerbero666]

Guys, just a reminder. The Razing of Prospero happened just after Davin in the timeline. So there is time between the Razing an Betrayer.

 

The problem is, Rebirth was before or after Betrayer? Because Arvida turned Khârn totally insane, he looked traumatize at the beginning, almost totally taken by the nails, and then Arvida destroyed the last honourable and sane part of Khârn. Maybe it was after Nuceria?

[Greyall]

No, Arvida planted the seed of doubt and knowledge on Khârn. Meaning rather than Khârn simply falling under Khorne's influence, he - from that point onwards - would do so willingly and knowing full well what that choice brought with it.

 

That's why Rebirth may tie with Khârn's behaviour at Skallathrax, he may have betrayed his fellows out of regret and rage that they, too, have fallen to Khorne. That's just a theory, though.

[Scribe]

Rebirth has some issues of characterization, I believe ADB even commented on it at one point, as that Khârn, the one in Betrayer, and the one in Galaxy in Flames dont quite line up.

 

ADB did throw a mention in Betrayer to 'fix' the Galaxy in Flames on (essentially Galaxy Khârn is Nails Lost) but I dont know that we had the same with Rebirth.

 

AAAAAANYWAY, Scars. :p

[Greyall]

Anyone have any hunch regarding Yesugei's dream of Khan fighting a faceless something on an ashen planet?

 

Is it Prospero?

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

Well that description fits.....

[Greyall]

Magnus vs Khan fight? I say this because Magnus has supposedly become a faceless energy being, if memory serves.

[Emperor's Furor]

It could be Mortarion considering Mortarion hides his face quite a lot. If the words are indeed Ashen then it could definitely represent Prospero, I may of mixed up Volcanic with the way Yesugei was describing Nikaea.

 

Edit: It states "a planet of embers" so it could well be prospero still, there was a lot of volcanic activity going on on prospero during the point where they scan the planet in orbit.

[depthcharge12]

Maybe the WEs there take the traitor WS under their umbrage to fight later in the Siege of Terra?

 

 

Lol maybe that fallen warhound is a literary device (world eaters/warhounds) hmmm my edjumication skills are tingling

[Greyall]

The Warhound was a major asset in A Thousand Sons.

[depthcharge12]

I thought it was a warlord?

[Lord Ragnarok]

Magnus vs Khan fight? I say this because Magnus has supposedly become a faceless energy being, if memory serves.

 

Maybe it's the remnants of the Primordial Annihilator. My assumption is that the PA may have somehow ordered the Khan to Chondax....or the Alpha Legion. The Alpha Legion delayed them. It was supposed to be a quick fight.

 

[Emperor's Furor]

I think the way the Wolves were tricked into destroying the Thousand Sons and the way the White Scars were ordered to Chondax will be found out as being one and the same, and that will turn the Khan's path towards loyalty than his current path which is slightly more down the traitor route.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

My understanding is that its no surprise because some of his Astartes are part of the lodge.....? Maybe they hope to convince the Kahn that what happened to the 1000 Sons would be their fate too.....?

[Emperor's Furor]

Well the orders he received were apparently directly from Horus, which reminds me of when Roboute thought he was talking to Lorgar when in fact that was a daemon to. The White Scars lodge atm still think what the Warmaster is doing is for the greater good of mankind, they have no inkling of the true nature of his corruption. The closest they have come is the communication device they have which is like a weird fax machine.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

I also would like to read a saga of Horus & Russ. Why was the Legion of Horus called the Lunar Wolves? This whole serial novel is a whole lot of fun after all. Cant wait for the audio book.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

... and then the WS lodge recognizes the danger and convince Kahn to go down the loyalist path. Now that would bite Erebuses goat

[Emperor's Furor]

I also would like to read a saga of Horus & Russ. Why was the Legion of Horus called the Lunar Wolves? This whole serial novel is a whole lot of fun after all. Cant wait for the audio book.

The reason they are called the Luna Wolves is in Betrayal the FW book, it's because the leader of a cloning facility on the moon told the Emperor to call off his Wolves when confronted with a single legionnaire who killed his bodyguard without breaking a sweat.

[Conn Eremon]

That's a combination of two different stories WoT. The Single Legionnaire was a Captain, and the leader you are referring to was the Panarch of sub-orbital colonies/facilities/whatever the heck they were. The First Pacification of Luna involved actual battles.

[Cerbero666]

No, Arvida planted the seed of doubt and knowledge on Khârn. Meaning rather than Khârn simply falling under Khorne's influence, he - from that point onwards - would do so willingly and knowing full well what that choice brought with it.

 

That's why Rebirth may tie with Khârn's behaviour at Skallathrax, he may have betrayed his fellows out of regret and rage that they, too, have fallen to Khorne. That's just a theory, though.

 

Yes, that's my theory too since I read Rebirth. That's why I said that it could be after Betrayer, is a degradation. First he is taken by the nails in Istvaan III too much, not knowing what was happening, then Betrayer and Nuceria, his primarch turned to Daemon Prince, his friend Argel Tal dead, more doubts. Then Arvida planted that seed of bitterness  and realization in him, about all that he was doing, and was condemned to do. Then Skallathrax, where he decided to kill his legion because of that anger against them, and what they (and he too) had become. Is an honourable warriror, driven into a situation where he and all that he believed in, is lost, and all he has is his anger and his reluctantly service to Khorne. I think that Khârn actually wants to die, but Khorne doesn't allow it, so he does the only thing that left, Kill every single warlord who could put the legion together (as seen in Chosen Of Khorne audiodrama)

 

So maybe Rebirth is after the future events in Scars. We will find out soon. The problem with the Heresy series is that there are many authors, and for them to put every single point in common have to be a true headache. There will always be loose ends. 

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

Guys, just a reminder. The Razing of Prospero happened just after Davin in the timeline. So there is time between the Razing an Betrayer.

 

The problem is, Rebirth was before or after Betrayer? Because Arvida turned Khârn totally insane, he looked traumatize at the beginning, almost totally taken by the nails, and then Arvida destroyed the last honourable and sane part of Khârn. Maybe it was after Nuceria?

 

 

I'd almost have to say after.

[Emperor's Furor]

That's a combination of two different stories WoT. The Single Legionnaire was a Captain, and the leader you are referring to was the Panarch of sub-orbital colonies/facilities/whatever the heck they were. The First Pacification of Luna involved actual battles.

Either way I just remember him saying "call off your wolves"

I thought the owning of a bodyguard by a single guy though was quite cool which is probably why I got them muddled up.