Emperor's Furor Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 This is in reference to unit of Salamanders mentioned in Vulkan Lives. They appear to be pretty slow, in the Istvaan V battle mentioned into the book they are described as something to akin as trundling a long at the same pace as the Firedrakes who were Terminator armour. So do you think they are in Terminator armour, or some other bulky suit, maybe carrying big Promethean tanks or something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Hopefully it's Sallies in Mk. I Terminator Plate carrying heavy flamers. Or maybe Mechanicus Cybernetica war-machines. Not sure though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Well, the Forgeworld HH event mentioned a Word Bearers unit called the "Circle of Ashes". Its description read "Pyroclast Destroyers" and apparently they have an affinity for flame-based weaponry. And the description sounded similar to the Vakrah Jal in Betrayer, with the hand-flamers. I think Forgeworld is just introducing a new general unit and due to it being flame-based, the Salamanders are just expected to have a ton of them. Although, it is possible that the Salamanders might have a specific variant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Given that the Bearers have "Pyroclast Destroyers" while the Salamanders seem to be fielding "Pyroclast Terminators", maybe it's a term that designates an incendiary weapons specialist in general, a bit like Assault Marines and Assault Termies are both CQC experts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It hasn't been said that they wear Terminator armor though. Although, I don't think so because the Pyroclast later on seemed to have no problem keeping up with everyone else later on in the story. I think the slow movement was something of a safety movement in order to keep from burning themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432165 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 It hasn't been said that they wear Terminator armor though. Although, I don't think so because the Pyroclast later on seemed to have no problem keeping up with everyone else later on in the story. I think the slow movement was something of a safety movement in order to keep from burning themselves. They're carrying tanks full of promethium. Quick movement to cover would be monumentally important, unless they were armoured in a such a way that they could limit damage due to a struck fuel source. Can't remember where I heard it, but I remeber an old WWII vet, Marine if I recall, that said "The only thing worse than running out of fuel for my flamethrower, was running into combat with a full tank." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 The Vakrah Jal in Betrayer wore Jump Packs IIRC. And they are hand-flamers. The fuel tanks are smaller than regular Flamers, which can be carried by regular Marines. So bulky armor isn't necessarily a have to. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Which is why I mentioned "swift movement to cover". A jump pack would cover that quite nicely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 22, 2013 Share Posted August 22, 2013 Oh. Hehehehe Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432394 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 The Salamander Pyroclasts though were obviously not very swift though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 IIRC, neither is the average Salamander, lol. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Well the Pyre Guard could just about keep up with Vulkan, and the recon squad was fast enough to plug the gap caused by Vulkan and the Pyre Guard rushing ahead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 True enough. I'm not saying you are wrong. But IIRC, there was a Pyroclast with Numeon post-Istvaan. I don't recall any mention of him wearing TDA, but I can be wrong. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 The more you mention these guys, the more I'm starting to think "Dreadnoughts". Brayath Ashmantle's dreadnought hull was around since the Heresy, Carried an aura of pain and anger (Istvaan, maybe?) and has more flamethrowers on it than could be legally declared sane. Possibly a nod to entire unit's equiped as such? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Nah, Kol is right, the group Numeon was with later had a pyroclast. I get the feeling they are just marines with twin flamers/heavy flamers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Bah. I like my idea better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 It is possible that maybe there will be a unique unit that can have Terminator armor since I don't recall the Salamanders ever being big on Jump Packs, which seem to be the more common mode of transport for Destroyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 There were two units for Salamanders previewed in the last HH event, Firedrakes and a PA unit with heavy flamers. I'll try and get a name for them, might match. And carrying a heavy flamer and its respective tank around is no easy business. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432465 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 Have to say a unit of terminators armed with twin heavy flamers really appeals to me on a massive scale. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 There were two units for Salamanders previewed in the last HH event, Firedrakes and a PA unit with heavy flamers. I'll try and get a name for them, might match. And carrying a heavy flamer and its respective tank around is no easy business. Can't just be a unit of power armoured heavy flamers, since you can already achieve this using the standard list, has to be more to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 There were two units for Salamanders previewed in the last HH event, Firedrakes and a PA unit with heavy flamers. I'll try and get a name for them, might match. And carrying a heavy flamer and its respective tank around is no easy business.All the rumor boards say they are "pyroclasts". However, then you get the problem with the screenshot of the Circle of Ashes which call that Word Bearer unit "pyroclast destroyers". So I'm guessing the Salamanders are getting a special "Pyroclast" unit, but everyone either missed the actual name, or Forgeworld didn't announce a name and everyone assumed it was "Pyroclasts". http://apocalypse40k.blogspot.co.uk/2013/05/seminar-3-models-of-horus-heresy.html Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432484 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 23, 2013 Author Share Posted August 23, 2013 You'd think considering the first book was entirely traitor orientated they may of focused on the loyalists first rather than the Word Bearers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 No offense to the Salamanders and the Raven Guard, it's just that the Word Bearers have so much built up already with the sheer number of stories they appear in. So far Angel Exterminatus is the only novel I know of where I have seen a Salamander and a Raven Guard without seeing a Word Bearer. Meanwhile, I can name a few where the Word Bearers appear without the Raven Guard or Salamanders. Besides, its better than the Night Lords. Or units don't even have names at the time of the event. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 Well, the rules make the models, as well, so an entire unit of Promethean pyros with some kind of special flamer that melts all heretic thoughts or something (kidding) would be different. Reavers and Rampagers are pretty much just melee squads. Very curious to see those Firedrakes, the Circle of Ashes perfectly capture the Word Bearers' vibe, from what we've seen, but there's a thing about Salamanders having a more tribal touch to them Pre-Heresy, let's see how FW captures that. There's also the Phoenix Guard terminators and the giant Assault Claw, previewed at the Weekender as well. PS: By the way, Erebus will supposedly also come with Kor Phaeron. Awesomez. Sally Pyros http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t272/m_r_parker/HH%20Weekender%202013/C5294074-B1A1-42F0-ABCA-AFE32ED2A95E-9728-00000E081B2C80B1_zps114a7c37.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobointherain Posted August 23, 2013 Share Posted August 23, 2013 In the book, as far as I can remember, it doesn't specifically mention that the pyroclasts wear power armour or terminator armour, but the impression I get is that they almost certainly wear power armour. It does specifically mention at one point that they are somewhat cumbersome because of the prometheum tanks strapped to their backs. It also specifically mentions that the pyroclasts are armed with flame gauntlets similar to Vulkan's. They are described as wearing a chain-mail mask over their faceplate and a drakescale surcoat. I woud quote but I dont have the book with me and I'm sure a more diligent brother will no doubt do the work for me... That sounds lazy doesn't it.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/278808-what-are-the-pyroclasts/#findComment-3432867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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