How happy would you be if they reexplained the final battle?

[Kais Klip]

I want to see the "The Emperor could totally have killed Horus, with like, a snap of his fingers, but he just LET himself get Lightning Clawed to death because he's a sentimental old fellow" theory taken out behind the barn, shot, set on fire, and its charred fragments urinated on.

 

 

Visions from 4 years down the line....

 

"... No no no no the Emperor LET Horus beat him to make a point! ... If they were fighting for real Emps would do a howl and Horus would have been shot up by the Emperor's bodyguard... It doesn't matter what a luna wolf says one of the Custodes says the Emperor is stronger than Horus..."

 

In the Outcast Dead book/audio there is some information that kind of changes our perception of the final battle.Makes its more dramatic i would say and i loved it.

 

I read the book and actually missed that, you mind putting up what it says in a spoiler tag and throwing it at me? 

[Scribe]

Yeah sure that was Outcast Dead? I dont recall it and am not sure I want to read through it again...

 

As for the Emp/Horus fight, I hope its even. Yes, its the Emperor. However Horus is at this point the vessel of all the Gods, and should be a beast.

[depthcharge12]

 

I want to see the "The Emperor could totally have killed Horus, with like, a snap of his fingers, but he just LET himself get Lightning Clawed to death because he's a sentimental old fellow" theory taken out behind the barn, shot, set on fire, and its charred fragments urinated on.

 

 

Visions from 4 years down the line....

 

"... No no no no the Emperor LET Horus beat him to make a point! ... If they were fighting for real Emps would do a howl and Horus would have been shot up by the Emperor's bodyguard... It doesn't matter what a luna wolf says one of the Custodes says the Emperor is stronger than Horus..."

 

>In the Outcast Dead book/audio there is some information that kind of changes our perception of the final battle.Makes its more dramatic i would say and i loved it.

 

I read the book and actually missed that, you mind putting up what it says in a spoiler tag and throwing it at me? 

 

 

You tread too close to the sun Icarus

[Demus Ragnok]

To be honest, I look forward to the build up, but when it happens, I want it to be one of those things that we only see from the sidelines. You know, we see the Emperor board Horus' ship. See Sanguinius' death cry drive the Blood Angels mad and then hear the psychic echo of Horus' death and watch as it breaks the moral of the Traitors. I don't actually want to see the fight. Leave it so the legends can grow and each side, each person, can have their own view of what happened.

This.

[Chickenleg]

Ok ill spoiler tag some info i recall from the Outcast Dead,i only have the audio version,anyway;

 

 

The message Kai has locked inside him and shares only with the emperor is the future,the fight of Horus and Sanguinius,his death,and then the father and son duel,all explaining how it should end.The message itself is encoded,it was like flicker flicker and random images of the battle.Only the emperor gets the message in the end,going into the final battle knowing full well that he must die and Kai chooses to kill himself so the rest of the imperium wont learn the terrible truth.

 

[Kol Saresk]

That........ Doesn't really shed new light on the battle.

[Chickenleg]

It doesnt show the battle itself but changes the hole concept of it and thats even greater in my opinion.

[Kol Saresk]

Eh. Tow-may-toe, tow-mah-toe. I left with the same impression of the concept that I had before hand.

[Conn Eremon]

Same. I am not seeing a difference. First Sanguinius and Horus, Sanguinius falls. Then Horus and the Emperor, both fall but Horus most. It's making the suggestion that the Emperor was aware of the outcome already but that's been suggested for some time already.

[Demus Ragnok]

I would like to see the fight between the E and Horus done like the end of that Rocky movie where Rocky and Apollo spar. Big build up and as they both swing the scene cuts away to the reactions of traitors and loyalists to the psychic backlash of the battle.

[Wade Garrett]

I would like to see the fight between the E and Horus done like the end of that Rocky movie where Rocky and Apollo spar. Big build up and as they both swing the scene cuts away to the reactions of traitors and loyalists to the psychic backlash of the battle.

"When you saved me on Ullanor, you did it by five seconds. FIVE seconds. Now,'that's very hard for a man of my intelligence to put up with."

 

"Hey, you move pretty good for an older guy, dad."

 

"You gonna ring the bell, son?"

 

"All right...ding DING!"

[Scribe]

I just hope for dialogue, like we had in the primarch fights in Betrayer. Cut away from the fight itself (until our man Ol' shows up) but I need some closure on this relationship, otherwise the screams will be eternal.

[Lagbenektelse]

How about the Emperor floors Horus but the psychic force kills Sanguinius.  Blood Angels go berserk and pile on the E.  Ol comes in and sees a slain Horus and Sang. and a mortally wounded E who didn't even think to protect against a Black Ragey company of Blood Angels.  Irony.

[lilMAC25]

Well we all know the public version of how the fight went on Horus's barge.

Sanguinius poked a hole in Horus's armour, Got smoted [i just wanted to use that word ]

Emp poked his blade in Sanguinius's hole, for a last gasp win

How happy would everyone be with them explaining every slash, cut, detail.

How would you you explain it, or would you?

Now how would you feel if the story was rewritten?

Sanguinius lost himself to his flaw, curb stomped Horus, Well apparently only Angron was his only equal. In the grip of the thirst, Sangy got caught by the Emp, while he was sucking Horus's blood.

Suffering from the rage he attacks the Emp. Busts his armour open. Puts the slaughter on the Emp. Emp chops the angels head off.

Olly sticks the Emp in the back with the fulgarite. blah blah

Would you like them to go into detail about the most pivital moment in the 30k universe

I had a very very similar thought recently.

That or it's actually Olly who puts down Horus, after the cumulative efforts of Sangy and Empy injures Horus enough for something to penetrate Horus's daemon enhanced physiology.

I do like your "alternate ending" theory though. Very much.

[lilMAC25]

I want to see it, but in a way of metaphysics, of the soul. The cut and slash, and parry type junk, I dont need that. Give me whats inside their heads. I want to know why, I want to get a justification, I want to see anguish, and sorrow, and pity.

 

I want to weep.

 

 

As much as I love the bashy smashy shtuff (and I do), I would really like it to be heart wrenching and deep as well.

 

 

But still, give me a blow by blow of the final battle.  As with everything else in this universe, it's open to interpretation (due to the POV of the observer).

 

 

ETA: In this case though, I'd like to see it from the eyes of multiple witnesses of difference loyalties (ie, Loyalist, Traitor, Cabal, Alien, Chaos).  Not sure how they could do it, but I think it could be done.

 

 

 

I want to see the "The Emperor could totally have killed Horus, with like, a snap of his fingers, but he just LET himself get Lightning Clawed to death because he's a sentimental old fellow" theory taken out behind the barn, shot, set on fire, and its charred fragments urinated on.

 

 

Visions from 4 years down the line....

 

"... No no no no the Emperor LET Horus beat him to make a point! ... If they were fighting for real Emps would do a howl and Horus would have been shot up by the Emperor's bodyguard... It doesn't matter what a luna wolf says one of the Custodes says the Emperor is stronger than Horus..."

 

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I read the book and actually missed that, you mind putting up what it says in a spoiler tag and throwing it at me? 

 

You tread too close to the sun Icarus

 

 

 

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(Laughing My Power Armour Off)

[War Angel]

I would like them to change something. He's the emperor.... I don't approve of his loss of his eye and arm due to not wantin to hurt his son. Everything he does is for the better of humanity. It's FAR more important he live than risk injury to save Horus. I also want the fight to take a good length of time, but also be only a mater of seconds in reality.

[Entei]

I don't think there will be a radical plot-twist such as the "It's really Horus on The Golden Throne" theory, but I think there will be "HOLY SH-" moments when some characters' actions and motives are unveiled. There's no telling how it will all go down. I'm hoping that it's described from several characters' point of views which all, at a glance, seems to conflict with each other...

[Wade Garrett]

I think, no, I KNOW that if Black Library does something goofy like "Sanguinus and the Blood Angels really killed Horus AND the Emperor" there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth from the entire non Blood Angels fandom and 75% of the BA fandom.

[Kol Saresk]

There's gnashing of teeth from those same portion of fanboys just because the Blood Angels came out on top of a civil war.

[Veteran Sergeant]

If Warhammer 40k's past is an exact duplicate of ours (which is incredibly iffy, as that would mean Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle would already be among us), then Doombreed's mortal history sounds remarkably like Genghis Khan. However, it has never been confirmed.

Besides, everyone knows Genghis Khan would make a better Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided than Lorgar ever could.

My eight year old nephew would make a better Daemon Prince of Chaos than Lorgar. He already whines significantly less often, and he's liable to do something more interesting with unlimited power than lock himself in a tower for 10,000 years to write a book nobody is going to read.

I would like to see the fight between the E and Horus done like the end of that Rocky movie where Rocky and Apollo spar. Big build up and as they both swing the scene cuts away to the reactions of traitors and loyalists to the psychic backlash of the battle.

"When you saved me on Ullanor, you did it by five seconds. FIVE seconds. Now,'that's very hard for a man of my intelligence to put up with."

"Hey, you move pretty good for an older guy, dad."

"You gonna ring the bell, son?"

"All right...ding DING!"

Haha. Excellent.

[Kol Saresk]

Your kid can make a better mass murderer than Lorgar? I fear for the next generation. If we are Generation Kill, they must be Generation Massacre.

[Demus Ragnok]

If Warhammer 40k's past is an exact duplicate of ours (which is incredibly iffy, as that would mean Khorne, Tzeentch and Nurgle would already be among us), then Doombreed's mortal history sounds remarkably like Genghis Khan. However, it has never been confirmed.

Besides, everyone knows Genghis Khan would make a better Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided than Lorgar ever could.

My eight year old nephew would make a better Daemon Prince of Chaos than Lorgar. He already whines significantly less often, and he's liable to do something more interesting with unlimited power than lock himself in a tower for 10,000 years to write a book nobody is going to read.

My sister's baby boy (6) would make Horus hide in a dark hole...alone.

[Apothecary Vaddon]

Unless I'm missing some of the existing fluff, I'd really like to know why Horus didn't simply order an Exterminatus on Terra, and mop up the pieces if Big E survived.

It wouldn't necessarily help. I mean, the Rock survived on Caliban, even after the planet got Alderaan'd. I'm fairly certain the Palace and other structures on Terra are similarly shielded. Not worth the effort, plus you leave yourself open to counterattack.

[Wade Garrett]

Not to mention that the goal wasn't just to kill the Emperor, but to rule from the throne in his place. This is even discussed by the throne Iron Warriors as they run simulations of the battle for Terra in Angel Exterminatus, with one Warsmith's tactics criticized thusly..."They'll break through eventually, but the victor will be the master of nothing except the largest ruin in the galaxy."

[Conn Eremon]

God, that scene made that book work.