d@n Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 I think scouts in a land speeder storm with power fist sarg is going to be pretty useful, to take out all those annoying wave serpents or to hit the rear armour of tanks ect. they would even be useful against monsters if you pull of a blind result with the launcher. bikers with grav guns are going to be awesome as well especially for raven guard players getting to scout and re-roll hammer of wraith, white scars aswell obviously and even iron hands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted September 5, 2013 Share Posted September 5, 2013 Because you dont have control of where the subsequent blasts land. If the first blast scatters horribly, the others are still off target. The non-barrage current version gives you a second, third or fourth chance to correct that deviation and land blasts on target. oh .__. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tangamarine Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Yeah barrage with blast weapons are really going to screw me over. I loved the opportunity to place blast after blast in the same location after multiple direct hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickeh Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I'll probably be replacing my pair of AC/HB predators with whirlwinds what with the points hike (why? It's not like they were overpowered) and taking a Stormraven with a bare bones scout squad in it for dual AA and last turn objective grabs. The hunter and stalker don't really do it for me, in looks or points/rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 That's a good idea, I'm still confused about that points increase but at least the Annihilator got a drop. A Whirlwind with its new price is a good replacement. As for the Hunter and Stalker I like how they look but I'm not sure about their effectiveness. Opinion seems divided and I don't have lots of experience in flyers so I'm unable to decide, going to have to wait and see how the dust settles methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I heard the hunter will be at least 75 points, so not that bad in my opinion. Have to try out the thunderfire cannon a few times before buying it though. What would be the best size for bikers? I feel the five/six man squads are too small (experience. The RW biker squads i use get destroyed so quickly.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie P Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I use 5+MMAB with 2 meltas and a combi. They normally do the job. 1st turn fire should at most knock down 2 T5 4+++ models. In most circumstances, if the enemy is firing enough guns to knock any more down, he is wasting his fire power on the bikes instead of my real power units. My fists were fairly aggressive, and so provided many possible targets, hence this theory ^. Yet to see how it pans out in the new book, except for the fact that I know my HB devs are going to be even more powerful! ZP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger9gamer Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 I use 5+MMAB with 2 meltas and a combi. They normally do the job. 1st turn fire should at most knock down 2 T5 4+++ models. In most circumstances, if the enemy is firing enough guns to knock any more down, he is wasting his fire power on the bikes instead of my real power units. My fists were fairly aggressive, and so provided many possible targets, hence this theory ^. Yet to see how it pans out in the new book, except for the fact that I know my HB devs are going to be even more powerful! ZP So is 8 man too much? I was thinking, since i only have 12 regular bikers and 2 MMAB, to make 2 squads of 6 with the attack bikes joined. would this be good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 6, 2013 Share Posted September 6, 2013 Has the price bump for the Razorback rendered it less desirable as a fire support unit? I was always jealous of the cheap TL Heavy Bolter option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The basic HB version got bumped, but the upgrades reportedly went down, meaning that the only version with an overall increased price is the HB one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The basic HB version got bumped, but the upgrades reportedly went down, meaning that the only version with an overall increased price is the HB one.But... that's the one that I like. Oh Heavy Bolter, why does GW hate you so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The basic HB version got bumped, but the upgrades reportedly went down, meaning that the only version with an overall increased price is the HB one. But... that's the one that I like. Oh Heavy Bolter, why does GW hate you so much? It's silly. HB variant now costs 55 which renders it too expensive in my opinion, when taking in to account the reduced capacity. LasCannon and other upgrades are cheaper however... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The Hunter is worth it imo. Keep in mind the Savant lock missile hits the REAR armor if you roll 5+ after a miss. With armorbane you will get a pen more often than not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickeh Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Using a hunter in combination with Tiggy looks like it'll be pretty potent. Between his warlord trait, the UM tactical doctrine and divination you can provide a substantial increase in hit %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The basic HB version got bumped, but the upgrades reportedly went down, meaning that the only version with an overall increased price is the HB one. But... that's the one that I like. Oh Heavy Bolter, why does GW hate you so much? It's silly. HB variant now costs 55 which renders it too expensive in my opinion, when taking in to account the reduced capacity. LasCannon and other upgrades are cheaper however... Yeah I'm thinking a Rhino with 2 Storm Bolters will be better for many players (4 shots for 40pts). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I've always run a pair of Rhino's with two storm bolters in my mech lists, and the new points make me glad I made extra storm bolters for the half-dozen chassis I can mix and match hatches/weapons on (Rhino/razorback with all options) I've always run Whirlwinds too, so I like the points drop, ditto with the honour guard...and basically every core unit in my demi-company list. Just from a quick look, I'll be adding nearly 200 points to my standard list (dropping unnecessary upgrades like the odd vet sergeant). Who wants to bet when the FAQ comes along the Champion gets back his ability to take a relic blade? I've got the ebook (because the FLGS I go to has been told of a week or more delay by GW for the Codex I pre-ordered late) and just a cursory look makes me want to bang my head on the desk. Seriously, I did a semester of creative writing and editing, and some of what they've missed in QA is unbelievable. (at one point scouts with WS x3...). Vulkan does keep Digital Weapons (see his Heavy Flamer description) and gets a command squad now too...fun. I'll need to check again to see if it's possible, but I made a standard bearer with a storm shield and bolter for furioso-prime's deathwatch challenge...I want to make a Company standard bearer with storm shield and the relic bolter! Anyone have any idea if/when Forgeworld will update the IA 9/10 rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Febelcrofas Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 They have to FAQ the command squad special weapon, I'm looking at the dex and there is a bt command squad with a plasma gun in it! Does nobody proof read these books! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I know right, I could do a better job than who/what ever is doing it now (I swear they use Word spellcheck, I can't see a semi-competent human editor missing most of these mistakes - I didn't!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Febelcrofas Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 They'd better FAQ it swiftly because I'm not giving up my plasma command now tigurius with his divination can unlock them!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 That and the chapter champion not having the option for a relic blade! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilzilla Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Did anyone else notice the 10pt idiot tax we have to pay on sternguard units now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Which of the two AA platforms seem to be better? I like the Stalker as I think it will be better against FMCs but the seeking missiles of the Hunter is a pretty solid way to bust Drakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Stalker has more shots, and the option of doubling it's shots, splitting them between two targets, at BS2 (described as simply filling the sky with fire instead of targeting a specific aircraft) Hunter has that one, powerful shot, that has a chance to hit again on following turns (it specifies the rear armour too, so if it hits later it's gonna hurt!) I think the only way to really tell is to try them out in a game (good thing the kit has the parts to make both turrets at the same time apparently!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 I wonder if you can split fire on ground targets. You're going to fire at BS1 anyway, so there isn't much of a drawback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 <p>you know...that is a very good point.</p> <p> </p> <p>edit: just checked, and it should work!</p> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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