The Librarian Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 I have seen in the forums several times that people say battlements confer a 4+ cover save without regard to the type of building. Me and the guys I play with, we all understood the official FAQ that way, that battlements of (normal) buildings confer a 4+ cover save, as the cover saves of battlements were never adressed in the BRB and the FAQ just wanted to do this. The battlements of fortifications however confer a 3+ cover save as they are a part of a multiple part building (BRB p.95) and the corresponding building is a fortification which give a 3+ cover save (BRB p.18). I am interested in your thoughts about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 25, 2013 Share Posted August 25, 2013 Does come up a whole lot- there are very few real fortifications in my terrain shelf... as opposed to heavy stone walls etc. Best bet with terrain is to always take the 2-3 minutes to cover it with your opponent before the game, some people will think a stone wall is a fortification, others will say its a garden wall with delusions of grandeur, its best to be sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Fot those arguing that battlements are 4+, I would be curious to know, if the battlements on a Bastion don't count as Fortifications, thereby conferring a 3+ cover save as per page 18, then what does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morticon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Morollan, being obscured by the Skyshield, the Fortress or the Bastion would all net you a 3+ cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Fot those arguing that battlements are 4+, I would be curious to know, if the battlements on a Bastion don't count as Fortifications, thereby conferring a 3+ cover save as per page 18, then what does? I dont think anyones saying that? He said specifically of 'normal buildings' wich a bastion certainly is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morollan Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Fot those arguing that battlements are 4+, I would be curious to know, if the battlements on a Bastion don't count as Fortifications, thereby conferring a 3+ cover save as per page 18, then what does? I dont think anyones saying that? He said specifically of 'normal buildings' wich a bastion certainly is not. I was responding to the first line of the OP: I have seen in the forums several times that people say battlements confer a 4+ cover save without regard to the type of building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Ah, understood- somehow the neurons didnt connect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 wait, the bastion battlements gives a 3+ cover instead of 4+? If this is true I've been playing it wrong :O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Well as I see it: Battlements are a part of whatever building they are on (they are part of the building rules on page 95) They will therefore offer the appropriate cover save for that building type. Now a bastion is a fortification and we are told by page 18 that the cover save afforded by a fortification is 3+, so that resolves that pretty clearly. As far as other buildings are concerned, we don't have a formal ruling. Is it 4+ like a ruin or 3+ like a fortification? So we have to refer to the paragraph below the list of cover saves (still on page 18) which states: "Before deploying their armies, it is a very good idea for players to go through all the terrain pieces on the battlefield quickly and agree on what kind of cover save each will offer" Now if it were me, if the building was constructed using the bastion, they I'd say definitely 3+ cover. If it used the "ruins" set then that should offer a 4+ cover. If it were made to look like it was constructed out of scrap/timber etc, then it'd be a toss-up between 4+ and 5+ cover depending on how sturdy it looked. At the end of the day, GW has given some examples of what save certain types of terrain should offer, but that's all they are. It's up to either the TO/GM/Players to decide on exactly what each type of terrain offers as far as cover is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Q. What is the armour value of battlements? (p95) A: Battlements have no armour value as they are not a building. They serve to protect any models on the roof of the building in the same way as barricades and walls (see page 104), offering a 4+ cover save. It's a blanket statement. All battlements act as barricades and walls, giving a 4+ cover save. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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