L30n1d4s Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Since SMBs are rumored to be reduced in points (xx tokens each now) and have access to Grav weapons, imagine the following:-5 SMB with 2 Grav Rifles, Sergeant with PW/Combi-Grav, and MM Attack BikeAt 18", this unit can put out 9 Grav-gun shots and 1 MM shot, which should be able to inflict major damage on any 3+/2+ save units and even threaten heavy vehicles as well (Melta weapon and glances from Grav rifles).If you are facing cheap hordes, then the bikers can just shoot with their TL Bolters instead.Either way, Relentless SMBs seem to combine very well with the new Grav weapons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 This sounds like a great idea - assuming nothing scuppers it when the codex comes out such as pricing or number of special weapons of course! Maybe the real problem would be getting enough grav weaponry to arm the models with... I imagine the unit wouldn't be too cheap relatively speaking but for the potential it looks like it might be worth it especially with the TL-bolters giving you some anti light infantry capabilities too. I reckon the main drawback might be the unit's effectiveness itself as any opponent worth his salt will target them as a high priority before they start popping his elite units. So a larger squad to weather the storm seems prudent. With an 18" range you'd have to be aware of potential counter charges which bikers don't like which I assume is why you've added the PW? Hopefully a veteran biker Brother can weigh in with a more experienced assessment, but it looks pretty appealing to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Can bikers take grav guns? Sounds broken to me. 3 bikers can put out 9 grav shots and move a great distance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The rumours stated that grav guns feature where special weapons may be taken so unless someone comes out and says otherwise then it's fair to assume that bikers will get them as they have access to special weapons too. Due to the salvo rules and their range Relentless platforms definitely seem the best place for them, otherwise they might get limited use during a game. Though as said we'll have to wait and see, since we all know GW moves in mysterious nonsensical ways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 In that case 6 bikers = 18 grav shots. This is a very powerful combination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Two special weapons and a combi-weapon on the Veteran Sergeant unless there's an unlikely change, so as L30n1d4s said that's up to 9 grav shots on one turn and 6 for the rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyr13 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Command squad on bikes. 12 shots, all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Yup, Command Squad on bikes is where I'd put all those grav-rifles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Oooh, that sounds disgusting. I have mixed feelings about grav rifles on a biker command squad. On the one hand, it would be extremely effective in killing meq or tougher. On the other hand, if they do ignore cover, well lets just say I hope I never face that unit... Poor death wing armies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 That's a fiendish idea, I'd say it might be overkill and a few too many points in a small unit that with such brutal effectiveness will surely be high on your opponent's priorities? How many grav shots are you going to need anyway? Terminators suffer enough as it is :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 This has me feeling inspired. 2 units of 3 bikers. Sgt with grav pistol, 2 grav rifles in each one. The squads will put out 7 shots each. Not far over 100 points per unit with the cost reduction. They can reliably immobalize tough vehicles like Land Raiders and will chew through termies/obliterators/grey knights with ease Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Combined with ws chapter tactics and khan, I have a feeling white scars will be the next vulkan list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Add in some allied Ravenwing Black Knights sporting a RW Grenade Launcher and plasma talons and you're all set :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 For what it is worth, the latest rumourings have Command Squads as being unable to take special weapons. Though given the somewhat dubious nature of this batch and the general oddity of the change itself I wonder as to it's legitimacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Yeah, I'll be very disappointed if that turns out to be true. But the 3-biker grav-spam unit in Fast Attack isn't too bad either, I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagicMan Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 This has me feeling inspired. 2 units of 3 bikers. Sgt with grav pistol, 2 grav rifles in each one. The squads will put out 7 shots each. Not far over 100 points per unit with the cost reduction. They can reliably immobalize tough vehicles like Land Raiders and will chew through termies/obliterators/grey knights with ease It'll be great until you come up against a mob of cultists/gaunts/conscripts that you're wounding on 6's. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 This has me feeling inspired. 2 units of 3 bikers. Sgt with grav pistol, 2 grav rifles in each one. The squads will put out 7 shots each. Not far over 100 points per unit with the cost reduction. They can reliably immobalize tough vehicles like Land Raiders and will chew through termies/obliterators/grey knights with ease It'll be great until you come up against a mob of cultists/gaunts/conscripts that you're wounding on 6's. :P You still have the twin linked rapid fire bolters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Plus Power Armour and T5 should you want to charge in for face punchings too. That and if they were the best targets for my grav bikers then I can think of worse situations to be in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Agreed on both the above two posts. Bikers keep their twin-linked boltguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie P Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Just to fuel this fire, remember the hammer of wrath. And then remember the white scars rumoured Chapter Trait helping with HoW attacks too ;) Not too shabby I must say. ZP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted August 31, 2013 Share Posted August 31, 2013 Indeed, all we can do now is wait for someone to get hold of the codex so we can find what grav treasures lie within... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 I'm actually tempted to get 2 Bike squads with 2 Grav guns and maybe even a combi grav too. Rumours are they're around 120pts for 5. Should be good back up to my army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 3, 2013 Share Posted September 3, 2013 Grav bikers sound awesome because Relentless ignores the one downside to the grav gun... and they can easily get in range. I'll definitely field one unit of 3. Combi Grav + 2 grav guns. It's too good to pass up :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 See I just don't know if spamming such units in small numbers is points efficient. I mean it is until someone decides to shoot the unit and you lose your special weapons. But then I guess it's a calculated risk and you could potentially get a lot of such models in an army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 4, 2013 Share Posted September 4, 2013 Well, the way I see it 3 grav gun bikers can put down a Riptide or a squad of Obliterators in one round of shooting. If you manage to deliver them safely the job is done, and killed or not they have earned their points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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