Artein Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 The Thousand Sons and the Space Wolves - two Legions whose destinies were irrevocably entwined at Prospero, and yet who now dance separately to fate's tune. As sanctioned executioners, the Wolves of Fenris were meant to root out treachery at the heart of the Legions...but would they be capable of carrying out a death sentence upon one of the Emperor's own sons? Meanwhile, Ahzek Ahriman and Magnus the Red cast their sight over the galaxy, seeking any clue as to what the future might hold. Audiodrama by Guy Haley and Graham McNeill. May 22, 2014 Found on Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Thief-Revelation-Hunters-Horus-Heresy/dp/1849706131/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1377714549&sr=1-1 Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ooh, I like that. Outright states that they are Imperial Executioners, but infers that that doesn't mean Legions or Primarchs, until now. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 28, 2013 Share Posted August 28, 2013 Ooh, I like that. Outright states that they are Imperial Executioners, but infers that that doesn't mean Legions or Primarchs, until now. Aha! in actuality they are the executioners of cute fluffy sphess bunnies. But quite interesting. But then why are they the executioners? They execute orders or are executives? Hmm while i dont like the whole executioners thing, it does seem like BL is messly cleaning up its tracks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Who says Primarchs and Legions are the only things worth executing? What about other Imperial aspects? A Magos Lord? Lord General? Imperial Governor? Rogue Trader Dynasty? Assassin Lord? Lord Lord? Who's to say they didn't let such actions get to their heads, start believing there was no one excused from the executioners' block. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Ooh, I like that. Outright states that they are Imperial Executioners, but infers that that doesn't mean Legions or Primarchs, until now. Aha! in actuality they are the executioners of cute fluffy sphess bunnies. But quite interesting. But then why are they the executioners? They execute orders or are executives? Hmm while i dont like the whole executioners thing, it does seem like BL is messly cleaning up its tracks. Hey man, cute, fluffy bunnies are still dangerous. http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqyltuuOvV1qeb13fo1_500.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Where's the holy hand grenade of antioch and a zealous black templar when you need one, eh? Yeah cormac good point. It does seem a little overkill to have an astartes legion reroute from its tasks to go do that, but i guess the whole shock and awe thing. In my opinion it would be better to have the Night lords do that Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Except that the Night Lords have a habit of......... Overkill. It wouldn't just be the Lord Governor. It'd be his/her(you never know) spouse and children, their properties, their guards, their highest ranking commanders/government members. Maybe even the entirety of their governship. Depends on the mood really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It would be the militant governor is corrupt.... Lets purge the entire population but leave him till last trap him on the planet and hunt him down then and only then when he's about to commit suicide or mentally break down do we capture him flay him alive then slowly torture him Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It would be overkill for the Legion to be rerouted. But the Legion wouldn't need to be. A Great Company here, a Great Company there. The whole Legion was rerouted to Prospero but that might have been a special case. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Or just even a squad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Except that the Night Lords have a habit of......... Overkill. It wouldn't just be the Lord Governor. It'd be his/her(you never know) spouse and children, their properties, their guards, their highest ranking commanders/government members. Maybe even the entirety of their governship. Depends on the mood really. Pffft acceptable losses. youre speaking to a world eater here Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438790 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 True. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438791 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durfast Spiritwolf Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I hate to break it to you depthcharge, but you are not really a world eater. You're holding on too tight matey ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438949 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Not sure I follow the story's premise on the Wolf side of things. Which of the Emperor's sons are they talking about, Russ has clearly shown he'd kill Magnus without the least bit of conscience-ache. The TSons part seems great, I'd like to know more about the fallout between Ahriman and Magnus - not that there's a lack of reasons, with the cyclops hiding an imminent attack from his sons... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3438985 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I hate to break it to you depthcharge, but you are not really a world eater. You're holding on too tight matey c'mere so i can lop your head off with my chainaxe ya big dummy lol i just meant mental wise, its one reason why i play them. I've noticed that a lot of users on this forum follow scaringly close to their parent chapters mind set. Just a random quirk that i've picked up on Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I just feel that rerouting any number of space marines from the battlefront would be a gross misallocation of valuable resources. The only way that they would be there to perform that execution was if the whole planet was in rebellion. I mean they have plenty of imperial army resources and special operations teams as well as assasians. So then why are they the executioners before they fight the world eaters? The whole missing legion thing has been debunked iirc hence why i think BL screwed up earlier by calling them that and then saying, well they didn't actually fight marines at all before... so is the term executioner just some epithet that the space wolves carry around for no reason other then possibly haughtiness? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 It might be so, and it still makes for an interesting plot point. In the latest episode of 'Scars', Bjorn notes that fighting the prepared Alphas will be very different from the distraught Thousand Sons. And he doesn't mean because of the numbers I suspect Russ' fall will be one very important part of the next stages of the Heresy. He's been acting haughty, like you said, but reality caught up with him to tell the Wolf he's not above his brothers and has screwed up precisely because he didn't see it. He seems much more humbled in 'Scars', having decimated another Legion (even one he didn't like) and his own men on a false order. There's another element that backs this theory, but it's dependent on BL keeping the old fluff: When racing to Terra to help the Emperor - alongside the Lion, Russ insists on stopping by every planet under attack and helping. That's what makes them late for the party and the Lion ends up stabbing a depressed Russ. This behaviour sounds like that of someone who's plagued by guilt, which makes him commit mistakes - which add to said guilt until he's riding a merry-go-round of FML. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439279 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Well, someone pointed it out in a different thread and I don't remember who, but the word execute doesn't mean just to put to death. As defined by Merriem-Webster, execute means: 1: to carry out fully : put completely into effect <execute a command> 2: to do what is provided or required by <execute a decree> 3: to put to death especially in compliance with a legal sentence 4: to make or produce (as a work of art) especially by carrying out a design 5: to perform what is required to give validity to <execute a deed> 6: play <execute a piece of music> Normally, one who executes is an executor(like an executor of a will), but when it is specific to carrying out death sentences, the word becomes executioner. So it is possible that the Emperor called them the executors of his will(literal will, not the piece of paper that says who gets what after the funeral) and it became mistranslated as executioner due to Low Gothic-Fenrisian language differences and then it was just one the Space Wolves ran with. Executioner sounds more intimidating than executor, after all. EDIT: However, this interpretation of events contributes to the haughty factor as it would mean that even after learning otherwise, the Wovles intentionally went with "executioner", planning to play on the reaction it would get versus "executor". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 I like number 6. Maybe the wolves of fenris were just misunderstood musicians. The song werewolves of london comes to mind...... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spu00sed Posted August 29, 2013 Share Posted August 29, 2013 Except that the Night Lords have a habit of......... Overkill. It wouldn't just be the Lord Governor. It'd be his/her(you never know) spouse and children, their properties, their guards, their highest ranking commanders/government members. Maybe even the entirety of their governship. Depends on the mood really. You forgot the family pet and any potted plants that might be in the area. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439662 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In my opinion it would be better to have the Night lords do that Night Lords and World Eaters are the least controllable legions. Russ and his Space Wolves are 100% obedient. The SW aren't the executioners because they're the most savage and ruthless...because they're simply not compared to the NL and WE. The WE are bloodlusted lunatics and the NL are sadistic torture masters/fear mongers. The SW have that balance of obedience and ruthless efficiency. Russ and the SW can also emerge from completing the ugliest jobs mentally unscathed. The Wolves' character and demeanour make them suitable for the job. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 In my opinion it would be better to have the Night lords do that Night Lords and World Eaters are the least controllable legions. Russ and his Space Wolves are 100% obedient. The SW aren't the executioners because they're the most savage and ruthless...because they're simply not compared to the NL and WE. The WE are bloodlusted lunatics and the NL are sadistic torture masters/fear mongers. The SW have that balance of obedience and ruthless efficiency. Russ and the SW can also emerge from completing the ugliest jobs mentally unscathed. The Wolves' character and demeanour make them suitable for the job. He meant the Night Lords would be more suited for the shock and awe bit of setting an example. Then I explained why it would be a bad idea.Except that the Night Lords have a habit of......... Overkill. It wouldn't just be the Lord Governor. It'd be his/her(you never know) spouse and children, their properties, their guards, their highest ranking commanders/government members. Maybe even the entirety of their governship. Depends on the mood really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3439946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Neither the Night Lords nor the World Eaters are executioners, each of them are butchers - the former of spirits and morale, the latter of flesh. An executioner kills with a blow. He does not maim, he does not leave the other half of the neck for tomorrow and he needn't speak before swinging the blade. Those are the Wolves to a T. They don't go for the officers so the enemy becomes a decapitated chicken. They don't use terror tactics. As was mentioned in another novel, they throw their Marines at their enemies and kill each and every one. Truly, the only other Legion I can imagine doing the same would be the Iron Hands - even the name is apt. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3440185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 Or the Sons of Horus. After all, their preferred tactic is to win the battle in one stroke. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3440372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted August 30, 2013 Share Posted August 30, 2013 But that "doesn't work" if you imagine the whole enemy army as one entity to be executed. You have to ensure total death, meaning the complete extermination of the opposing force. I think the whole "throw Marine against Marine and rely on superiority" line is from Know no Fear, if memory serves. Sure you can decapitate a Legion, but not only is that tactic risky since the enemy commander is usually extremely well defended, you also subject yourself to having to hunt stragglers, who can cause a lot of havoc if they start employing guerrilla tactics. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279100-thief-of-revelationhunters-moon/#findComment-3440386 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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