Thief of Revelation/Hunters Moon

[Lucien Eilam]

Well, someone pointed it out in a different thread and I don't remember who, but the word execute doesn't mean just to put to death. As defined by Merriem-Webster, execute means:

1: to carry out fully : put completely into effect

2: to do what is provided or required by

3: to put to death especially in compliance with a legal sentence

4: to make or produce (as a work of art) especially by carrying out a design

5: to perform what is required to give validity to

6: play

Indeed. From Battle of The Fang:

 

“We are committed to this,’ said Ironhelm, speaking to Greyloc as if demonstrating an axe-grip to a child. ‘It is blood-debt. It is completion.’

 

That word again. Like all the others, Greyloc knew the importance of it. They were hunters, the Wolves, and nothing was more important than bringing the chase to a kill. Plenty in the Imperium thought of Russ’s warriors as savages, but that betrayed their ignorance of galactic history – the Wolves did what was necessary to complete the task, whatever it was. That was the trait they’d been bred for. To leave a slaying unfinished was a cause for deep shame, something that burned in the soul forever, chewing away until the ache was cleansed.”

[depthcharge12]

 

Well, someone pointed it out in a different thread and I don't remember who, but the word execute doesn't mean just to put to death. As defined by Merriem-Webster, execute means:

1: to carry out fully : put completely into effect

2: to do what is provided or required by

3: to put to death especially in compliance with a legal sentence

4: to make or produce (as a work of art) especially by carrying out a design

5: to perform what is required to give validity to

6: play

Indeed. From Battle of The Fang:

 

>“We are committed to this,’ said Ironhelm, speaking to Greyloc as if demonstrating an axe-grip to a child. ‘It is blood-debt. It is completion.’

 

That word again. Like all the others, Greyloc knew the importance of it. They were hunters, the Wolves, and nothing was more important than bringing the chase to a kill. Plenty in the Imperium thought of Russ’s warriors as savages, but that betrayed their ignorance of galactic history – the Wolves did what was necessary to complete the task, whatever it was. That was the trait they’d been bred for. To leave a slaying unfinished was a cause for deep shame, something that burned in the soul forever, chewing away until the ache was cleansed.”

 

 

Wasn't that also what the World eaters were bred for? Total and complete destruction of their task and never fail at it despite the failings of their bodies?

 

There was a quote in galaxy in flames i believe where Tarvitz met up with the world eater captain who said, "the world eaters will always go one step farther than their opponents. Some go for the head, but the world eaters will always seek to rip out the heart of their enemy."

 

Its one reason they have such high fatality rates. They have a good history and notoriety for victories, although, at a cost.

 

 

But i'm beginning to see the wolves as more of executors of the emperors will, i guess to a larger degree, then say all other astartes who embody the emperors will in physical form.

 

Although, why would they obey an order directly from the emps and then change it at the command of horus? I thought their hierarchy was 1. emps 2. Russ 3. pack leader

 

weren't they proud about being independent and doing their own thing that orders from other superiors outside of that chain of command wouldnt supercede that? i mean i guess they did get duped, but it doesnt make sense that they, the executors of the will, would take orders from someone else that seem to be contradictory would tarnish their reputation that they are so proud of.

 

I just think that the BL has screwed up by making them the executioners, and then saying, um er they didnt actually execute astartes since that is quite an anathema to them.

 

It would be like saying the word bearers are the heralds and the preachers to people, and then saying, well they didnt actually preach or do any of that stupid stuff and there are no records of them doing just that, they were just heralds of the emperors wrath not his truth.

[Lucien Eilam]

Wasn't that also what the World eaters were bred for? Total and complete destruction of their task and never fail at it despite the failings of their bodies?

 

There was a quote in galaxy in flames i believe where Tarvitz met up with the world eater captain who said, "the world eaters will always go one step farther than their opponents. Some go for the head, but the world eaters will always seek to rip out the heart of their enemy."

I'm not sure the World Eaters could even be said to have been bred to be the World Eaters. The character of the Legion before Angron was apparently very different.

 

But I think also that's too narrow a definition of "whatever is necessary". What if the task requires patience, restraint, diplomacy? The World Eaters are still going to try hitting it with chainaxes till it stops moving.

 

They also routinely go beyond what is necessary, beyond the completion of the task, or ignore the actual mission entirely. It only fits as long as the task is "butcher them to the last man, cast down their fortifications and salt the earth for good measure". "Total and complete destruction" is exactly right, but that wasn't always the task set for the Legions.

[GhostMalone]

Pre angron they were very similar just at ten then they found angron and cranked it to 11. They were always highly aggressive had strong ties of brotherhood and so on

[Wade Garrett]

Let Russ wag his tail and proclaim himself "Executioner" as if it were a source of pride. An execution is nothing more than the murder of helpless victims, it has neither the honor of battle nor the thrill of the hunt. Either he is too much a fur clad savage to grasp this single concept, or he is a lapdog that revels in any scraps the Emperor chooses to throw him.

 

:p

[Conn Eremon]

Could be worse.

 

He could be a failed messiah seeking anything, anything at all, that would accept him as their prophet. Even if he finds only damnation instead of salvation, all that matters is being the beloved of the gods.

 

Or a hypocrite who poorly hides his own dark desires behind a law-enforcing facade. Perhaps that's the point, torturing and killing criminals hoping nobody will see how damaged his psyche is.

 

Or a man unable to accept the task he is most ideally suited for simply because he feels ostracized when no one else shows the same aptitude. Everyone has their allotted fate, railing against it serves only to worsen it, as the future makes clear.

 

Or a broken man so lost in his own past failures he is unable to remotely comprehend the opportunities there before him. His brothers and sisters died without him, but he will make damn sure he's there when his sons die for him, by him.

 

Or one with a divided sense of self whose naive, youthful need to surpass his seniors sees him clutch desperately for a vision. Reveling in such secrecy and duplicity not even one of such lofty talents could keep their own loyalties straight.

 

Or be the elder so consumed with the need to be the superior he fails to see the road taking him fast into inferiority. A fool for thinking self-defilement could ever be an improvement.

 

Or be so insistent on being proven right he fails to see how fundamentally flawed his original hypothesis is, to disastrous results. His folly was thinking that damning his sons could ever truly save them.

 

Or to be so dismissive of a previous need for aid that it is gone when needed most. Confidence is all well and good, but never when it is so misplaced. Cursing his rescuer for the act of rescue only cheapened himself.

 

Or be handed everything on a silver platter only to use a lie as an excuse to grab for more. What ambition to rule could he ever hope to achieve by burning all before him? A king of ashes and bone might as well never be king.

 

*takes a deep breath*

 

Or be so caught up in his own paranoia that he sets himself up as his own greatest enemy. What good is it imagining foes around every corner when he will only see himself?

 

Or be so caught up in his high-minded sense of honor and duty that he is unable to handle the potential of failure. What good is he to the future if he's willing to lose himself over the past?

 

Or be so blinded by the idea of betrayal that he ends up only hurting himself and his by his rash, unthinking reaction. His hated enemy yet lives and his sons are lost without a father.

 

Or be so focused on his own opinion of the true goal he fails to come to the aid of the one who can realize that goal. He did little more than prolong the state of suffering and slow decay, not what his liege father attempted to create.

 

Or to be so desperate to strike back against the enemy he fails to see the damage it does to his sons, many of whose lives he is forced to end. To fight monsters, he created monsters, and the burden ended up being too much to bear.

 

Or to fear his own curse so much he refuses to bring the slightest attention to it. He didn't want his sons to join the lost, but perhaps of he had swallowed his pride he could have sought aid and been granted it.

 

Or to so value his own mercurial nature that, when needed most by his brothers, he remains an unknown variable. Keeping ahead and aloft serves little purpose when what is needed is someone with both feet on the ground, paying attention to what's behind him as much as ahead.

 

Or be a bro. But that's a good thing!

 

:p

[Kol Saresk]

Or a hypocrite who poorly hides his own dark desires behind a law-enforcing facade. Perhaps that's the point, torturing and killing criminals hoping nobody will see how damaged his psyche is.

Dexter is in 40K?

[Conn Eremon]

Hey, you said it, not me.

[Wade Garrett]

I have yet to read Vulkan Lives...does his character have any significant changes from "Bromarch of the Bromanders, Legibro Astartes BRO"?

[Kol Saresk]

No, not really. Like any Bro, he has a line. Once that line is reached, the Bro will unleash the power of Bro-Hammer and may whatever deities, beliefs or ideas they hold dear have mercy on the soul of the dodo-bird who was dumb enough to do that. Because it. Will. Hurt.

[Artein]

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/1338/6elf.jpg
 

[Greyall]

That helm's eye area looks mighty strange. Still cool, though.

[Jarl Kjaran Coldheart]

the amount of "Bros" in this thread is very disturbing.

 

WLK

[Conn Eremon]

Come on, man. Don't be like that. Be a bro!

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

All I know about Russ (from the Horus Heresy so far) is that he did not like what Magnus was up to, tried to speak thru Hauser to Magnus to come to a non violent solution. Got duped by Horus big time. And then did the Job of bringing Magnus down. And that the SW were very lucky during the burning of Prospero.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

So far in the Horus Heresy there has been very little description of Leman Russ (motivations, flaws & traits). I have been looking for the evidence of Russ being more arrogant than some of the other Primarchs, I find nothing that could justify him "falling" because of his so called arrogance and or pride. As a matter of fact he has shown that he can swallow his pride to prove a point (Night of the Wolves) I find that other Primarchs have been given way mor description about their motivations & traits. Fulgrim, Horus, Vulkan and Konrad Lion have had way more character description than Russ. The little we got out of Prospero Burns shows him to be a real bro actually abeit one who got duped big time.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

I also Have a hunch that this is also gonna involve the 13th Great Company.

[Bocheebs]

how does the Thief of revelation which is pure Bro on Bro, Thousand sons on Space Wolf action meld into Hunters Moon which is Space Woolf and Alpha legion goodness with a bit of Thousand sons spice? I am yet to listen to either of them so excuse my ignorance more of intrigue question. 

[SteelPaladin]

As far as I can tell, they are not related in any way. They are both shorter than average audio drama's, ~35 minutes each, so that is why they are included on one CD.

[Bocheebs]

 

So far in the Horus Heresy there has been very little description of Leman Russ (motivations, flaws & traits)

-  Ozeryk_Sleipnijr

 

There have been snippets of Russ and his character, agreed these are not as involved as the other Primarchs but if you look at the what i call the Emperors true Sons; Roubute, Dorn and Russ. Their allegiance is never questioned and they all  have a specific task allocated by the emperor himself the other brothers who end up siding with the Emperor all have internal struggles of Pride, Greed, Ambition (Vulcan, El Johnston, Corax, The Khan) that they must all face before leaning one way or the other. It is these story lines which make for exciting reading. the Writers are answering all those questions that have been buzzing for years and are slowly getting to the more solid foundation Legions. 

[Bocheebs]

They share the same art work though so there has to be some connection. It looks as though the thousand sons are manipulating the Alpha legion to hunt down the Space Wolf. 

  http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61OPpx2ImCL._SX258_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

[SteelPaladin]

They may share the same art, and be on the same disk, but there is no connection between the stories.

 

There was no manipulation needed for the Alphas and Wolves to fight in Hunter's Moon. And Thief of Revelations has nothing to do with the Wolves, it concerns Ahriman trying to stop the fleshchange and Magnus watching the galaxy to decide what to do next.

[Daemon2027]

I think the art work is all metaphorical like. It does look cool though.