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In a previous post I mentioned playing against Blood Angels, and I was curious about the army's Feel No Pain and Apothecary rules. My opponent had two Assault Squads, each joined by a Chaplain (one was a Reclusiarch) and to my knowledge neither of these characters grants the FnP rule to the squad. I also noticed that each squad had an Apothecary, which would grant FnP, but I see no entry in the BA Codex to support Apothecaries in any capacity. Was my opponent trying to pull a fast one on me with FnP?

 

On a side note, the FnP rules also will help me decide if I want to start a BA army...

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Thanks for the reply, the reason I was confused is because he had the Priests modeled as Apothecaries (or at least I can assume they were because they were painted as such with the Apothecary special arm).

Sang.Priests are the BAngel's version of an Apothecary.  They serve a similar role, and can easily be represented by an Apothecary model.  Until recently, there wasn't even a seperately advertised "Sanguinary Priest" model.

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They are independent characters so can be attached to squads, but other squads within 6" of his squad receive his buffs too if I recall correctly.

Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of).

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Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of).

What FAQ are you referring to? I cannot find such a clarification in this document

The updated rule is:

“All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.

Still this rule does not specify whether you must measure from Sanguinary Priest model, the Sanguinary Priest unit or the the unit that potentially benefits from the Blood Chalice. In the latter two cases the bubble extends 6" from the unit the Sanguinary Priest is attached to, because you can only measure from a unit to another unit.

Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain features and so on) are always measured from closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base. Distances between units are always measured to and from the closest models in each of the units (see diagram below).

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Hello guys,

 

I might have a question about the FNP's range, furthermore  how it is measured. I know how FNP works with our priests, however reading trough different post made me think about the way I do it, perhaps I have been doing this all these years wrong.

 

FNP is measured from the priest, even if he has joined the unit -OR- FNP is measured from the unit that priest has joined e.a. you gain X" in the length of the unit?

 

~BT

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The FnP bubble is always measured from the priest model. Unless he is embarked on a transport, you then measure from the hull.

 

If the priest has joined a squad the entire squad, regardless of footprint, benefit from his buff. These models do not however confer this buff to other units. 

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Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of).

What FAQ are you referring to? I cannot find such a clarification in this document

The updated rule is:

>>“All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.

Still this rule does not specify whether you must measure from Sanguinary Priest model, the Sanguinary Priest unit or the the unit that potentially benefits from the Blood Chalice. In the latter two cases the bubble extends 6" from the unit the Sanguinary Priest is attached to, because you can only measure from a unit to another unit.

Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain features and so on) are always measured from closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base. Distances between units are always measured to and from the closest models in each of the units (see diagram below).

 

 

"Page 52 – Sanguinary Novitiate, Blood Chalice.  

Change this entry to read: “All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" of the Sanguinary Novitiate are
subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.", C:BA FAQ
 
Notice that the FAQ states that the Blood Chalice AoE is measured from the S.Novitiate, and not from the Honor Guard unit - which he is part of, and can never leave.  The intent is pretty clear in this case that GW wants the wargear bearer to be the point of measurement, not his unit.  By extension, the S.Priest should always be the model you measure from, despite the somewhat vague wording used by GW (shocking, right?).  Of course, there is no clear rules-lawyer-proof argument for this, so I never force the issue if my opponent insists on playing it otherwise.  I simple pull out all the Codex: Space Wolves grey-areas to curb-stomp him and then never play him again.
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