Eisenhorn31388 Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 In a previous post I mentioned playing against Blood Angels, and I was curious about the army's Feel No Pain and Apothecary rules. My opponent had two Assault Squads, each joined by a Chaplain (one was a Reclusiarch) and to my knowledge neither of these characters grants the FnP rule to the squad. I also noticed that each squad had an Apothecary, which would grant FnP, but I see no entry in the BA Codex to support Apothecaries in any capacity. Was my opponent trying to pull a fast one on me with FnP? On a side note, the FnP rules also will help me decide if I want to start a BA army... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 The Sanguinary Priest (C:BA, pg.48) has a special wargear item called a Blood Chalice, which gives units within 6" Furious Charge and Feel No Pain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhorn31388 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Thanks for the reply, the reason I was confused is because he had the Priests modeled as Apothecaries (or at least I can assume they were because they were painted as such with the Apothecary special arm). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Thanks for the reply, the reason I was confused is because he had the Priests modeled as Apothecaries (or at least I can assume they were because they were painted as such with the Apothecary special arm). Sang.Priests are the BAngel's version of an Apothecary. They serve a similar role, and can easily be represented by an Apothecary model. Until recently, there wasn't even a seperately advertised "Sanguinary Priest" model. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eisenhorn31388 Posted September 1, 2013 Author Share Posted September 1, 2013 Awesome, thanks again for the response. One more question, I assume the Priests can join a unit? or are they separate and just have a "bubble" of FnP? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442925 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 They are independent characters so can be attached to squads, but ++REMOVED FOR TRACES OF HERESY++ if I recall correctly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 They are independent characters so can be attached to squads, but other squads within 6" of his squad receive his buffs too if I recall correctly. Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
teblin Posted September 1, 2013 Share Posted September 1, 2013 Ah, I didn't recall correctly. Thanks for the clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3442960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quixus Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of).What FAQ are you referring to? I cannot find such a clarification in this document The updated rule is: “All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.Still this rule does not specify whether you must measure from Sanguinary Priest model, the Sanguinary Priest unit or the the unit that potentially benefits from the Blood Chalice. In the latter two cases the bubble extends 6" from the unit the Sanguinary Priest is attached to, because you can only measure from a unit to another unit.Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain features and so on) are always measured from closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base. Distances between units are always measured to and from the closest models in each of the units (see diagram below). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Hello guys, I might have a question about the FNP's range, furthermore how it is measured. I know how FNP works with our priests, however reading trough different post made me think about the way I do it, perhaps I have been doing this all these years wrong. FNP is measured from the priest, even if he has joined the unit -OR- FNP is measured from the unit that priest has joined e.a. you gain X" in the length of the unit? ~BT Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
knife&fork Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 The FnP bubble is always measured from the priest model. Unless he is embarked on a transport, you then measure from the hull. If the priest has joined a squad the entire squad, regardless of footprint, benefit from his buff. These models do not however confer this buff to other units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443619 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodTzar Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Well than no change ... thank you K&F Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Most people I know recognize that the bubble is measured from the Sang.Priest model (and the FAQ for the Sanguinary Novitiate supports this interpretation, being measured from the Novitiate, not the Honor Guard he is part of).What FAQ are you referring to? I cannot find such a clarification in this documentThe updated rule is: >>“All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.Still this rule does not specify whether you must measure from Sanguinary Priest model, the Sanguinary Priest unit or the the unit that potentially benefits from the Blood Chalice. In the latter two cases the bubble extends 6" from the unit the Sanguinary Priest is attached to, because you can only measure from a unit to another unit.Distances between models and all other objects (which can be other models, terrain features and so on) are always measured from closest point on one base to the closest point on the other base. Distances between units are always measured to and from the closest models in each of the units (see diagram below). "Page 52 – Sanguinary Novitiate, Blood Chalice. Change this entry to read: “All friendly units chosen from Codex: Blood Angels within 6" of the Sanguinary Novitiate are subject to the Furious Charge and Feel No Pain special rules”.", C:BA FAQ Notice that the FAQ states that the Blood Chalice AoE is measured from the S.Novitiate, and not from the Honor Guard unit - which he is part of, and can never leave. The intent is pretty clear in this case that GW wants the wargear bearer to be the point of measurement, not his unit. By extension, the S.Priest should always be the model you measure from, despite the somewhat vague wording used by GW (shocking, right?). Of course, there is no clear rules-lawyer-proof argument for this, so I never force the issue if my opponent insists on playing it otherwise. I simple pull out all the Codex: Space Wolves grey-areas to curb-stomp him and then never play him again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Just to add, if your Priest is embarked on a transport vehicle you measure from the vehicle's hull (in the same manner you do for Shield of Sanguinius) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolemai Posted September 2, 2013 Share Posted September 2, 2013 Nevermind :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279288-feel-no-pain/#findComment-3443748 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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