Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 2 squads of 5 for me, since they'll be Troops. Still fragile, obviously, but I like taking those risks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3453184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Might as well stick an MM AB on them as well, to let them handle tanks, while it also pitches in with killing MEQ and TEQ. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3453540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Possibly, but sidecars are ugly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3453710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Possibly, but sidecars are ugly. I too am guilty of putting asthetics ahead of utility ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3453976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Possibly, but sidecars are ugly. I too am guilty of putting asthetics ahead of utility ;-) Thus, you don't field Centurions? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3454525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I actually haven't bought any... I'm finding it hard to fit them in lists I think up even in 2k games... Though if you field them with a divination Tigarius and give them a 4++... it tempts me lol Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3454529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Eh. Take an allied Dark Angel Librarian with powerfield and have the Cents form a circle around him. Boom, T5 W2 2+/4++. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3454536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Thus, you don't field Centurions? I was ready to ignore them altogether, until a certain thread in the Imperial Fists subforum showed me how effective they will be. Eh. Take an allied Dark Angel Librarian with powerfield and have the Cents form a circle around him. Boom, T5 W2 2+/4++. And my plan to field them involves exactly this. But fear not, I will be converting them to be similar to the Mortis Contemptor they will be supporting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3454594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
templargdt Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Plasma on tactical squads. Grav on bikes is awesome. If I was going to run Centurions, I'd take a look at gravcannon/grav amp. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3454978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'm seriously considering running a bike captain with a bike command squad rolling with 4 grav guns and an apothecary :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3455535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Good that GW saw sense, but stranger still how they missed it in the first place - at least the FAQ sorted it quickly so that's the main thing. Welcome back shooty Command Squads, you were only gone a little while but were sorely missed. As discussed previously though that unit will be a pretty mean MC hunter for a pretty penny but you'd have to take care of them because it won't take a genius to know what they'll be going for on the table! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3455593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 I can't believe how disgustingly cheesy the Command squad could be for barely over the price of a Land Raider at 275. Including T5, FNP, 3++ saves and then relentless grav weapons Through in some extra points to get -1 to cover saves from techmarine and a captain of your choice it's going to do what ever it wants with combination of grav weapons and twin-linked boltguns. I'm not one for cheese play but even I want to try that out! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3455775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Don't forget the Primarch's Wrath on that HQ. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zombie P Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I wouldnt run the FNP, go for a budget unit. If you go for tournament crushing run White Scars chapter tactics. Just simple command with 5 grav and bikes. 3+ jink from turbo boost on the first turn. Then the enemy has to throw everything they can at it before their terminators/honor guard/ riptide/ Wraithknight bite the dust. Its a shame null zone doesn't exist any more (I think), that would be intensely powerful with a command squad. It is great that librarians and chaplains can now take command squads, it unlocks an entire new realm for the command squad. Also, a 5 plasma command squad... :D XP Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azash Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I think everyone's forgotten about orbital strike. With HG going down in pts significantly you will see a lot more CM's on the table. One on target strike and it doubles out the centurions. Not to mention it ignores ADL's. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Oh I haven't forgotten! First turn strike I already plan on hitting the enemy with an Orbital Bombardment from a Prescience and Perfect Timing Chapter Master! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Oh I haven't forgotten! First turn strike I already plan on hitting the enemy with an Orbital Bombardment from a Prescience and Perfect Timing Chapter Master! ;) I totally love doing this :-D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I like to think of it as an opening greeting for the game: "Hello, you're fighting the Emperor's finest. Hope you like dying because we're the Angels of Death." Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456933 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Custodian Athiair Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 What this about Orbital Bombardments, early strike, prescience etc? If you take a chapter master you lose out on the aforementioned Biker Grav Squad Also why wouldnt you get the FNP, for 15 points its making them even more survivable. I dont think it makes it that expensive. Maybe dropping the Storm Shields would save a lot, what with your 3+ Jink save by Turbo Boosting Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3456953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goosey_j Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Grav weapons are awesome. Anyone who says otherwise clearly hasn't sat down and taken a proper look at them yet. Grav Rifles and Grav Cannons effortlessly kill the things SMs have always had problems with: MCs and big TEQ units. Wraith Knights, Wraith Lords, Riptide, any Daemon Prince with an armour save (i.e. all C:CSM ones), Blood Thirsters, giant Tyranid. Even heavy vehicles and fliers are not safe. With 15 shots (5 relentless grav bikers or 3 Grav Centurions). On Vehicles you can outright wreck them with some good rolling and with fliers all you need is one six and it's immobilised the rest of the game, to be disposed of at your leisure. And then there are things like Crisis Suits, Broadsides, big ugly Necron things, even the basic Space Marine, all gibbed by the grav. No dying from "Gets Hot!" either. Grav pistols, on the other hand, have a much more subtle use, and that is making sure we always strike first in combat. If you have an assault unit, give it a couple of grav pistols (vanguard vets), or at least stick one on the sergeant. Alternatively run one on your HQ, and put him with whoever. A hit with any grav weapon causes concussive, which means that even if you have an Unweildly weapon, you're still striking at the same time as your foe. Welcome to the new age of SM monster hunting chaps. If you want to have a shot against the two big boys of this edition so far (the Eldar and the Tau), I suggest you serve up your SM with a helping of grav. DISCLAIMER: I wouldn't use grav guns outside of Relentless or Slow and Purposeful, as a 9" range is pretty pathetic. In tactical squads, I believe Plasma is still king. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Yep, I think most Marine players are thinking this. MCs are dead long live the grav. Gave me a pause though, I've not seen the kits yet how many grav weapons are there in them? I'm assuming there's one in the Tactical box and probably a combi-grav or two in the Stern box? What about grav pistols? I fear we may be in for a grav shortage :P Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I can tell you from personal experience that the Tactical Squad box has one grav-gun, the parts to assemble one combi-grav, and one grav pistol. I saw the Sternguard sprues, and I *believe* they have two of every type of combi-bolter on there, so there's two more possibly combi-gravs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I've not seen the kits yet how many grav weapons are there in them? I'm assuming there's one in the Tactical box and probably a combi-grav or two in the Stern box? What about grav pistols? I fear we may be in for a grav shortage They have pics of the sprues on GW's site. These are the Sternguard spures with weapons. The ones with the cone shaped muzzel are the grav weapons. 1 gun, 2 combi and 1 pistol http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3430420a_99120101104_SMPlasticSternguardSprue01_873x627.jpg http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3430425a_99120101104_SMPlasticSternguardSprue02_873x627.jpg And this is the tac squad weapon sprue http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m3430500a_99120101103_2013TacticalSquadSprue03_873x627.jpg One each of the grav gun, pistol and combi attachment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Grav pistols, on the other hand, have a much more subtle use, and that is making sure we always strike first in combat. . I like this idea. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyroknight Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Actually, is the plasma pistol going extinct in favor of grav pistols? While the Plasma will outshine against low armor targets and light vehicles, the Grav pistol has concussive and does not get hot. Against targets where the plasma pistol is better, we seem to have plenty of other options to deal with those threats. Against the targets where the Grav is better, (MCs and 2+ armor) we have less answers, and the concussive seems relevant. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279493-views-on-viability-of-grav-weapons/page/2/#findComment-3457532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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