BassWave Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The relic blade option says "Any Honor Guard member can replace their power weapon for a relic blade for [redacted] points". The Chapter Champion is not listed as an "Honor Guard"... I'm dreading the answer I know I will get but, does this mean that Chapter Champion can't have a Relic blade anymore? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 :( unfortunately yes, the omission is quite straightforward and I can't get any wiggle room! Added to this he no longer gets re rolls against independent characters and he truly is rather mundane in assault compared to last edition. Still for killing enemy champions and sergeants (i.e. non characters) he is still pretty much tier 1. Only a lucky few champions with rending will likely fell him. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3450412 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 That really bothers me... Well time to give him the thuderhammer now, excpet the model i had for him had a relic blade and an axe. time to remove both arms and try again. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3450929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Indeed, for now the Chapter Champion will have to destroy his foes with a thunder hammer. Never know, an FAQ may revert it to what it was, I doubt it though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 The unit as a whole is still pretty vicious. 25pts/model for 2+ armour, Ultra-grit including a Power Weapon (of your choice) is pretty tasty.Add a Chapter Master with Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Lightning Claw and Storm Shield and you have a combat beast of a Deathstar. Which would be even nastier with an attached Chaplain or Tigger (for Divination/Biomancy spam) to add some unit buffs.(Note: I'm not sure whether I'd get the +1A for 2 Special Weapons or not given the Storm Shields "no bonus attacks" clause - even if I chose not to use the Shield. (Might make for an interesting OR discussion.) If not - then a Plasma/Grav Pistol or Combi-weapon instead of the Lightning Claw might be a good idea) Would work nicely with Raven Guard traits (scout and stealth turn 1) to help get them across the board if foot-slogging or Iron Hands if rocking a Land Raider (Feel No Pain 6+ and IWND on the Chapter Master and Land Raider (Plus an attached Techmarine for Blessing of the Omnissiah))The Chapter Champion still rocks Ultra-grit with a Power Weapon, option of a Thunder Hammer (don't think I'd bother personally) and a 2+ save, so not too shabby in a Challenge, and if he's in the Challenge your Chapter Master can take a chunk out of the enemy unit.In all honesty, the Honour Guard Deathstar is powerful enough without the Chapter Champion being a Challenge Monster. To me it seems like balancing rather than a true nerf.As far as the original question is concerned, the wording is a little unusual. RAW is only Honour Guard can take them. Chapter champion isn't an honour guard by GW definition so no Relic Blade allowed.Edit: re-read the codex. Misquoted earlier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 but is it clear RAW? Consider me shocked!!! ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I don't know about your Codices, but mine does not say 'Honour Guard member', just 'Honour Guard'. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorganov Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Its the same with Command Squad - company champion can't take storm shield, even though all veterans can... Its nonsense.... again, I realy hope they "repair" this weirdness. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Then don't take a Company Champion. Its 15pts for a Power Weapon then take a Storm Shield. Will work out the same pts wise as if you could give the company champion a Storm Shield and is effectively the same gameplay-wise. You just lose the "must issue/accept challenges" rule, which isn't a loss quite frankly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Yes, but there is no choice on the chapter champion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451859 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Yes, I know. I was just responding to Vorganov's involvement of Command Squads in the discussion. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3451903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorganov Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Then don't take a Company Champion. Its 15pts for a Power Weapon then take a Storm Shield. Will work out the same pts wise as if you could give the company champion a Storm Shield and is effectively the same gameplay-wise. You just lose the "must issue/accept challenges" rule, which isn't a loss quite frankly. right u are The difference is, I can not accept challanges as there is no character then Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3452558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Added to this he no longer gets re rolls against independent characters and he truly is rather mundane in assault compared to last edition. My Champions do, and Rending to boot! ;) :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3458103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Fitting I suppose! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3459012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Added to this he no longer gets re rolls against independent characters and he truly is rather mundane in assault compared to last edition. My Champions do, and Rending to boot! I was gonna say sure the chapter champion isn't that great, unless you play Black Templar then he's still awesome. Besides I think they took away his re-roll hits and wounds thing in the FAQ when 6th ed came out so not a huge loss. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3459039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezekiel grand master Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 · Hidden by Dam13n, November 30, 2014 - Threadomancy Hidden by Dam13n, November 30, 2014 - Threadomancy but if you give the honour guard the chapter banner the champion gets six attacks on a charge(also with cc weapon) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279595-new-codex-honor-guard-question/#findComment-3875337
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