Grim Dog Studios Posted September 7, 2013 Share Posted September 7, 2013 Hi guys! I've been wanting to start a small heresy-era Wolves force that has more character than actual playability (will be legal game-wise, just maybe some bad wargear choices ) . What I'm most interested in basing the force on is these seemingly random wolf packs that are spread across the galaxy, such as those seen in Battle For The Abyss and Fear To Tread. Is there any given reason in the books at all what the purpose of these packs are? I really dig the idea of small pockets of wolves popping up just about everywhere! Also, what would you say the max amount of Wolves should be. I'm leaning towards them being led by a Rune Priest and a high ranking Wolf Guard. Also, slightly off-topic, but I just wanted to know if using a small amount of MKVI armor during the heresy for this little force would be considered taboo by other players? Unless they could have gotten it somehow then in which okay its ok! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 It's your army and story so I would say go for it. If you are planning on making up packs of Wolves that go on special missions all over the galaxy and make up unique and interesting stories then that is awesome. I don't know what unit to recommend you run th as but I don't know if I would include a Rune Priest unless it was for a very good reason. You could use a mix of armor through the pack and keep it light on the MK VI, unless they have been specifically re-equipped with it to test it or replace some catastrophic loss of warhear. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3451523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonerhino Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 It appears that post Heresy (the start of it). The random packs have been sent out to keep an eye on questionable Primarchs. Like the pack in Fear to Tread. Then it also possible that there are actual pack maybe larger groups operating simular to the lost compannies in 40K. But more likely they are something more akin to the Group in the later Ragnar novels. There as a show of force in reguards something tied to the SW's honor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3451651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Thanks for the feedback guys! Just another quick question if you don't mind! Is there a list of all the wolf lords and their respective companies during the heresy? So far all I can seem to get from the books without a complete re-read of them is: Onn (1st company) is lead by Gunnar Gunnhilt, Tra (3rd company) is lead by Ogvai Ogvai Helmschrot, Fyf (5th company) is lead by Amlodhi Skarssen Skarssenson, and finally the 13th company (not sure on what its called in Space Wolf numbers) unless I'm mistaken is lead by Lord Bulveye in some sources, both the short story in Tales of Heresy and the Ragnar novel Wolf's Honour, but in the current SW codex it states the 13th was lead by Jorin Bloodhowl, so not sure about this one! Any help much appreciated! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3451905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 This thread has given me good ideas to add a space wolf detachment to my Ultramarines. Thank you :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3452101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Lore wise in the heresy the small packs of space wolves all over the place were to make sure the Edict of Nikaea was followed. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3452332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Lore wise in the heresy the small packs of space wolves all over the place were to make sure the Edict of Nikaea was followed. Thats a shame, I don't have another heresy-era army that they could be with. :( Time to do some hard thinking on what theyre doing! I'm thinking they could be on some sort of scout mission or sending a message somewhere, so they have been granted a small warp-capable vessel and fighting heretics on the way to where ever they are going! I'm a big fan of my armies having a story, what can I say haha! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3452387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 That's not to say there weren't Expeditionary Fleets lead by Space Wolves, but without Russ at the helm, as far as I know the legions didn't just move around all at once, well some didn't, so it would be perfectly reasonable to make a space wolves army based on one of this smaller expeditionary fleets. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3452563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Thanks for the feedback guys! Just another quick question if you don't mind! Is there a list of all the wolf lords and their respective companies during the heresy? So far all I can seem to get from the books without a complete re-read of them is: Onn (1st company) is lead by Gunnar Gunnhilt, Tra (3rd company) is lead by Ogvai Ogvai Helmschrot, Fyf (5th company) is lead by Amlodhi Skarssen Skarssenson, and finally the 13th company (not sure on what its called in Space Wolf numbers) unless I'm mistaken is lead by Lord Bulveye in some sources, both the short story in Tales of Heresy and the Ragnar novel Wolf's Honour, but in the current SW codex it states the 13th was lead by Jorin Bloodhowl, so not sure about this one! Any help much appreciated! Not sure on the Wolf Lords names at the time of the Heresy myself so I can't help you there. I would again urge you to come up with a story to explain the reason for a group of Wolves accompanying your Legion. Remember there was a group sent to summon Magnus by Russ. The Wolves possess some very specialized combat as well as other skills that would be valued by other Legions. Perhaps they have fought a particular Xenos race that your Legion is planning to face. Maybe their ship was sabotaged or set adrift by the Alpha Legion or the warp storms and is accompanying your force until they can region their brothers. Any plausible story that sounds cool would be acceptable to me. You want to do something fun and interesting, do it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3453187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 Apart from being the Emperor's executioners and investigating doubtful primarchs, you musn't discount their more mundane duties as Space Marines conquering the galaxy for the Emperor. Which means from time to time, they also fight/aid their brother legions if need be. So random packs across the galaxy may not be so far fetched. Don't discount the random packs for being random either. Their most likely led by a Wolf Guard, Wolf Priest or even a Rune Priest, and will likely have a jack of all trades arsenal of weapons to deal with any threat. In my opinion, one of their most powerful weapons is their cunning and ability to think outside the box, sometimes brutally, sometimes even subtly. Wolf Lord Bulveye clearly demonstrated diplomacy when allying with that human remnant to fight against the Dark Eldar at "Wolf at the Door" (with tragic consequences later), whereas in Prospero Burns, the Wolves will clearly use ANYTHING to achieve victory even if it is brutal and inhumane. Sure they may not spend their time reading up on strategy, their more like practicing their strategy and thinking on the fly. As I mentioned in my other thread on Leman Russ, they are Astartes pretending to be barbarians, and most of the time fooling everyone, even those on this forum. :) Anyway back to your questions, I would still make your models primarily close combat types, but with lots of Bolters in addition to chainswords and axes. As to how many a pack, at least thirty Grey Hunter types, which should be enough to threaten any opponent in open combat, yet small enough to be a covert force if necessary. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3453247 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ephrael Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 I have one question that I forgot to ask earlier Wulox. Are you running an army using the rules and force org from 30K Betrayal or 40K 6th Ed codex with a HH "theme"? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3453259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Dog Studios Posted September 9, 2013 Author Share Posted September 9, 2013 I have one question that I forgot to ask earlier Wulox. Are you running an army using the rules and force org from 30K Betrayal or 40K 6th Ed codex with a HH "theme"? I was actually attempting to try and make a list that was usable with both the codex and the Betrayal Book with minimal changes between them! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279640-random-space-wolf-packs/#findComment-3454016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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