darkangel1030 Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 Hey all! I'm new to this site and to the sons of the lion. I have a question about company veterans. The codex says each battle company from the 3rd to the 9th has a cadre of veterans. But the 3rd to the 5th are battle companies while the 6th to 9th are reserve. Do each of the companies aside from the 1st and 2nd have them or just the battle companies. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 If the Codex says they do, why wouldn't they? Even the 10th Company has veterans, they just aren't used in Company Veteran ad-hoc formations. Remember that these aren't Veterans in the same way that Veterans from a standard Codex Chapter would have in the 1st Company. Some of them may be able to be the equivalent, but our true Veterans as would be in the 1st Company in another Chapter are either in the Deathwing or Black Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkangel1030 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Thanks. I wanted to make sure before i painted up some as my 9th company vets. Take care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 To be correct we must consider that is not easy to get into the first company as it's being promoted to first company in any other Chapter... In other SM forces the veterans are the best warriors of the Chapter that are inducted into the first company and trained to use TDA... In the DA chapter being a DW memebr is not just to be better warriors but also to be trusted enough to learn the secret of the fallen and the fall of caliban... RW BK and Co Vets are veterans of the companies from 2nd to 10th that are still to have be judged good enough to get into DW... If you notice on the relative codex entries both CoVets and BK dont have the Inner Circle special rule that means they still have to know the secret of the fallen... And yes... each company has his own Group of veterans... but while in 2nd company they are all permanently inducted in the formation know as Black Knights (from wich the RWCS gets his members) the CoVets acts as Sergeants or Specialists in the other company squads and are detached from them and inducted into the special CoVets formations only when needed... Only the members of the Commans Squads are permanently assigned to a different squad... This is why the CoVets are not listed in the chapter FOC and why they dont have squad markings at all... Theorically the DA have regular Companies from 3rd to 9th and the Co Vets officially dont exist... And being not part of a different company this is why they dont have access to things like special ammunitions like the sternguard veterans from codex chapters... My only regret is that being picked up from each squad of the company they still dont have acccess to all wargear like more heavy weapons and/or jump packs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twopounder Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 To be correct we must consider that is not easy to get into the first company as it's being promoted to first company in any other Chapter... In other SM forces the veterans are the best warriors of the Chapter that are inducted into the first company and trained to use TDA... In the DA chapter being a DW memebr is not just to be better warriors but also to be trusted enough to learn the secret of the fallen and the fall of caliban... RW BK and Co Vets are veterans of the companies from 2nd to 10th that are still to have be judged good enough to get into DW... If you notice on the relative codex entries both CoVets and BK dont have the Inner Circle special rule that means they still have to know the secret of the fallen... And yes... each company has his own Group of veterans... but while in 2nd company they are all permanently inducted in the formation know as Black Knights (from wich the RWCS gets his members) the CoVets acts as Sergeants or Specialists in the other company squads and are detached from them and inducted into the special CoVets formations only when needed... Only the members of the Commans Squads are permanently assigned to a different squad... This is why the CoVets are not listed in the chapter FOC and why they dont have squad markings at all... Theorically the DA have regular Companies from 3rd to 9th and the Co Vets officially dont exist... And being not part of a different company this is why they dont have access to things like special ammunitions like the sternguard veterans from codex chapters... My only regret is that being picked up from each squad of the company they still dont have acccess to all wargear like more heavy weapons and/or jump packs... Well, unfluff wise, the reason we don't get special ammo is the dakka banner. That would just be insane :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marvmoogy Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 To be correct we must consider that is not easy to get into the first company as it's being promoted to first company in any other Chapter... In other SM forces the veterans are the best warriors of the Chapter that are inducted into the first company and trained to use TDA... In the DA chapter being a DW memebr is not just to be better warriors but also to be trusted enough to learn the secret of the fallen and the fall of caliban... RW BK and Co Vets are veterans of the companies from 2nd to 10th that are still to have be judged good enough to get into DW... If you notice on the relative codex entries both CoVets and BK dont have the Inner Circle special rule that means they still have to know the secret of the fallen... And yes... each company has his own Group of veterans... but while in 2nd company they are all permanently inducted in the formation know as Black Knights (from wich the RWCS gets his members) the CoVets acts as Sergeants or Specialists in the other company squads and are detached from them and inducted into the special CoVets formations only when needed... Only the members of the Commans Squads are permanently assigned to a different squad... This is why the CoVets are not listed in the chapter FOC and why they dont have squad markings at all... Theorically the DA have regular Companies from 3rd to 9th and the Co Vets officially dont exist... And being not part of a different company this is why they dont have access to things like special ammunitions like the sternguard veterans from codex chapters... My only regret is that being picked up from each squad of the company they still dont have acccess to all wargear like more heavy weapons and/or jump packs... Well, unfluff wise, the reason we don't get special ammo is the dakka banner. That would just be insane imagine that....salvo 2/4 hellfire rounds! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darkangel1030 Posted September 8, 2013 Author Share Posted September 8, 2013 Thanks for all the clarification. I wasnt sure if it was a wording messed up when it said each BATTLE company had vets when the 6th thru 9th are reserve companies. So i'm guessing then i dont put company markings on my vets then? Sorry for all the questions, ive been a fan of the BL books for a long time but am just getting into the rules. Thanks to all for responding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Surrender_Monkey Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 I think the reserve companies do see a fair bit of action, the battle companies will obviously get assigned the most important battle zones, but in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium (where there is only war) you can't afford to leave nearly half of your fighting strength in reserve all the time. As Master Sheol says, promotion within the Dark Angels is not just about fighting skill, it is also about loyalty and trustworthiness. Company Vets are the best warriors in the company formed into a single squad, some of them might eventually become Deathwing, but others might not be considered trustworthy enough and therefore serve out their time as "mere" company vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted September 8, 2013 Share Posted September 8, 2013 To be correct we must consider that is not easy to get into the first company as it's being promoted to first company in any other Chapter... In other SM forces the veterans are the best warriors of the Chapter that are inducted into the first company and trained to use TDA... In the DA chapter being a DW memebr is not just to be better warriors but also to be trusted enough to learn the secret of the fallen and the fall of caliban... RW BK and Co Vets are veterans of the companies from 2nd to 10th that are still to have be judged good enough to get into DW... If you notice on the relative codex entries both CoVets and BK dont have the Inner Circle special rule that means they still have to know the secret of the fallen... And yes... each company has his own Group of veterans... but while in 2nd company they are all permanently inducted in the formation know as Black Knights (from wich the RWCS gets his members) the CoVets acts as Sergeants or Specialists in the other company squads and are detached from them and inducted into the special CoVets formations only when needed... Only the members of the Commans Squads are permanently assigned to a different squad... This is why the CoVets are not listed in the chapter FOC and why they dont have squad markings at all... Theorically the DA have regular Companies from 3rd to 9th and the Co Vets officially dont exist... And being not part of a different company this is why they dont have access to things like special ammunitions like the sternguard veterans from codex chapters... My only regret is that being picked up from each squad of the company they still dont have acccess to all wargear like more heavy weapons and/or jump packs... Well, unfluff wise, the reason we don't get special ammo is the dakka banner. That would just be insane imagine that....salvo 2/4 hellfire rounds! Well in the C:SM is stated that the IF chapter trait work with just the normal bolter round... it would be easy to prevent the dakka banner to be used with special rounds... i still think that the idea about covets and the lack of special rounds is that they are a sternguard only feature and DA not having sternguard but only DW never adopted this kind of rounds... They only thing i dont like of the CoVet is that they dont have access to Jump packs... being them picked up from any company squad they should be trained to use jump packs too and there fore able to use them (imagine the covets from the 8th assault reserve companies forced to go on foot while the rest of the company fight with jump packs)... Thanks for all the clarification. I wasnt sure if it was a wording messed up when it said each BATTLE company had vets when the 6th thru 9th are reserve companies. So i'm guessing then i dont put company markings on my vets then? Sorry for all the questions, ive been a fan of the BL books for a long time but am just getting into the rules. Thanks to all for responding. In the veteran box you find 10 pads covering all 5 veterans with complete pads without any squad marking needed... i like to think that when a DA marine is chosen to be part of a CoVet squad for the battle or the campaign he swaps his normal squad pad with one without markings... it would be silly to have a squads of CoVets all wearing the pads of the squads they come from (imagine a squad made by 2 guys from 3rd tactical squad, 1 from 5th tactical squad, 1 from 7th assault squad and 1 from 10th devastator squad)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortysl Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 My Company Veterans actually have a place in my Battle company. When I'm not fielding the unit, the individual models are fielded in their parent squads. I have to explain to opponents why a Tactical Marine etc. has a Power Sword when it's not legal but I find most opponents are cool with the idea of the model as long as he uses his standard squad wargear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magos Valkamar Posted September 9, 2013 Share Posted September 9, 2013 The story behind my veterans is that they're all members of different squads that had been brought together when their old squads had been decimated in a previous campaign, but worked so well together that the Company Master decided to keep them together permanently, so officially they're a tactical squad rather than a "veteran" squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJedi Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 So maybe we "once" had special ammo, we've simply fired it all. :D I like the idea of company vets. It's like they would in any other chapter have been sent to the 1st company already but in the DA you have to be checked out and tested a lot more thoroughly to become Deathwing. Then when you do make it, you can become even more of a vet and become Deathwing Knights. Even our Ravenwing have hard as nails vets in the form of Black Knights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I just wish there was a way for a Company Master to make ComVets scoring or troops. How many DA players would love that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I just wish there was a way for a Company Master to make ComVets scoring or troops. How many DA players would love that? We already have scoring bikes and termies. Scoring vets would be one more nail on the coffin for tacticals and scouts... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt_Reaper Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 While true...perhaps a 0-1 limit would fix that. I mean surely not every successor can field full DeathRaven forces...can they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 While true...perhaps a 0-1 limit would fix that. I mean surely not every successor can field full DeathRaven forces...can they?Weeeellllll, strictly speaking, there is no such thing as a "full" Deathwing or Ravenwing force, as there is no limit on the size of either of these companies...... But I know what you mean, and its been my view that if the Dark Angels can field large DW and RW formations, there's nothing in the fluff hinting that the successors can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 While true...perhaps a 0-1 limit would fix that. I mean surely not every successor can field full DeathRaven forces...can they?Weeeellllll, strictly speaking, there is no such thing as a "full" Deathwing or Ravenwing force, as there is no limit on the size of either of these companies...... But I know what you mean, and its been my view that if the Dark Angels can field large DW and RW formations, there's nothing in the fluff hinting that the successors can't. And in the last codex fluff there were specific explanations of how the Dark Angels and successors had so many suits of TDA... Yes, in our case the successors do run exactly as the parent chapter does, otherwise they would run out of the Generic Codex like several chapters that are rumored to be of Dark Angel geneseed... (Relictors, Malefactors, I forget which) that were not indoctrinated into the Unforgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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