Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 So, with the simple fact that, for the most part, Warhammer 40,000 is dead to me, I've been looking around at what Legion to start for 30k. I ultimately decided upon Sons of Horus because they have that megalomaniac side to them that's just so killer. Proud, Bitter, Arrogant, and utterly Merciless. But one thing that really got me into the thought of making one was their Contemptor Dreadnought and the Reaver squad. So I thought about it for a long time, talking to Heathens on the phone, and Heathens said 'why not make any army out of them?' So, while I do plan to make a Horus Heresy army that will encompass all aspects of the legion, my first eyes are set on making the Catulan Reaver army, something, brutal and really gives that feel of trained elites and ruthless killers. So this is a rough estimate list, nothing set in stone, but I wanted it to complete comprise of only Dreadnoughts and Veterans, which I have achieved, and have the entire army deep strike in, which the Dreadclaws have allowed me to achieve. The list, at the moment, is set at 2500 points. HQLegion Praetor - Master Crafted Paragon Blade, Iron Halo, Melta Bombs - 170 (Pride of the Legion)Command Squad - x5, Melta Bombs, Combat Shields, Power Weapon x3, Power Fist, Lightning Claw, Dreadclaw - 335Centurion- Artificer Armour, Pair of Lightning Claws, Melta Bomb Refractor Field, Primus Mediacae - 135 EliteApothecarion Detachment - x3 Artificer Armour x3, Power Weapon x3 - 195Contemptor Dreadnought Talon - x3 , Two Close Combat Weapons, Two Heavy Flamers, Dreadclaw for each - 840 TroopsVeteran Tactical Squad - x9, Meltagun, Power Weapon x3, Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Dreadclaw - 340 (Furious Charge)Veteran Tactical Squad - x9, Meltagun, Power Weapon x3, Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Dreadclaw - 340 (Furious Charge)Veteran Tactical Squad - x9, Meltagun, Power Weapon x3, Artificer Armour, Power Fist, Dreadclaw - 340 (Furious Charge) So what do you guys think? EDIT: Did some research and Dread Claws are completely worthless, negating the entire list. Ignore this thread. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's a lot of Dreadclaws! Why so many? You can take drop pods can't you? If you do go the Dreadclaw route that's gonna be pretty pricey for you! Would love to see it in action though ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 So what do you guys think? That I'm adorable and full of good ideas? Seriously, though, this is a very brutal list. All or nothing; pure Sons Of Horus. Why so many fists in the troops, though? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's a lot of Dreadclaws! Why so many? You can take drop pods can't you? If you do go the Dreadclaw route that's gonna be pretty pricey for you! Would love to see it in action though Because Dreadclaws are assault vehicles with assault frag launchers. Meaning that my command squad, my dreadnoughts, and all my veteran squads can charge on the turn they come in. Heathens@ Not sure, might just switch them out for a lightning claws or just a power weapon. Like I said, it was a rough list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455087 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickenleg Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Catulan reavers are part of the first company along with the justaerin,model-wise you cant miss as long as they are painted black so yea,so far so good. :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's a lot of Dreadclaws! Why so many? You can take drop pods can't you? If you do go the Dreadclaw route that's gonna be pretty pricey for you! Would love to see it in action though Because Dreadclaws are assault vehicles with assault frag launchers. Meaning that my command squad, my dreadnoughts, and all my veteran squads can charge on the turn they come in. Heathens@ Not sure, might just switch them out for a lightning claws or just a power weapon. Like I said, it was a rough list. Ouch! Fair enough, I hope you have the wallet for it, or do you plan on doing the whole upside drop pod conversion? ;) Can't wait to see it on the table in any case! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 With how many I'll need, I may just buy one and do some research into how to cast my own. It'll all depend on how much the new Dreadclaw models will be when they come out. We'll see. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Noctus welcome to the heresy brother :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Because Dreadclaws are assault vehicles with assault frag launchers. Meaning that my command squad, my dreadnoughts, and all my veteran squads can charge on the turn they come in. No they can't I'm afraid. :( They can assault the turn they disembark, but they can't assault the turn they arrive from reserves. The assault vehicle rules does not supersede that one. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455114 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Did some research. This entire list is pointless and worthless. Nevermind... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonkey Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Are there rules for Catulan Reavers in Book I, or are the rules for the models and units in Book II? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Can Dreadclaws move? I read they are skimmers and such, which means they ain't like traditional drop pods in that they are stationary when they drop? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodEmperorOfMankind Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Can Dreadclaws move? I read they are skimmers and such, which means they ain't like traditional drop pods in that they are stationary when they drop? Indeed they are skimmers/flyers Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 One problem, aren't the Reavers Assault Squads? It is also possible that when Massacre is released, they might be moved to the Elite slot. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455332 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 There are no rules for Catulan Reavers, hence why I am using Veteran Tactical Squads to represent them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The reaver squad rules are in the next book out at Gamesday. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455518 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'd like to see proof of that, either way though it is unlikely that it would have changed the list. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'd like to see proof of that, either way though it is unlikely that it would have changed the list. This what you mean, right, Noctus? Reavers Well, if their rules aren't in Betrayal, then they'll almost surely be in Massacre. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 From the news letter - The Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squad, designed by Alfonso Giraldes, is a multi-part resin kit containing five incredibly detailed Space Marines, five bolt pistols, five chain axes, a power fist, a hand flamer, five helmeted heads and one Sergeant head. This kit is available to pre-order now for despatch from Friday 2nd August. Rules for the Sons of Horus Reaver Attack Squad will be found in our forthcoming Horus Heresy book. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Well, now I know. G.I.JOE Just further nails down that idea into the ground... Ohwell, win some you lose some. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I wasn't meaning to start a "Slam Noctus with future announcements" fest, I was just pointing out that the Reavers were supposed to be assault squads so if an army was supposed to be built around them, wouldn't the troops need jump packs and then I was asking if the rumored including of rules in Massacre would affect the list. Apologies for the trouble i seem to have caused Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noctus Cornix Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Even so, assault marines don't need to come with Jump Packs all the time. Even standard Assault Marines (atleast in 40k books for example) come without Jump Packs at first. So I see no problem with having them using Dread Claws, in which case such things as Jump Packs would be pointless. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 The Reaver models don't come with jump packs so they may not have them in the rules. I think your idea sounds good. I don't see why the veterans cant stand for Catulan company troops, and when massacre comes out you can add the Reaver models in what ever format fw include them. At the end of the day as long as they are painted black I don't see the problem. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Even so, assault marines don't need to come with Jump Packs all the time. Even standard Assault Marines (atleast in 40k books for example) come without Jump Packs at first. So I see no problem with having them using Dread Claws, in which case such things as Jump Packs would be pointless.Okay, that's what I was asking for, and fair enough. @Demon: the first Destroyers weren't modeled with Jump Packs either Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455635 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Yeah they might get them. According to Betrayal, the catulan reavers specialised in harrowing actions and hit and run tactics, so I guess they would only take jump packs in certain situations. They may even have dedicated jump pack squads. The more I look at the Catulan Reavers the more I like them. In Betrayal there is even a picture of an predator attached to the their battle company. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279883-sons-of-horus-catulan-reaver-army-idea/#findComment-3455658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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