Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hi all I have a question about the FW book Betrayal. With the confirmation, it seems, from Massacre being that to play 30k you will need the first book, I would like to know if there are any Legion special rules in the book other than for the 4 featured. I am reluctant to drop that much cash before my beloved Dark Angels or my brothers army, IW, are released without any special rules but would like to play 30k games. Having not seen the book at this stage, or have access to anyone with the book, I would be grateful to hear the answer from someone who does have the book. So basically, are there Iron Warrior or Dark Angel special rules in the book or do I have to wait for those. Cheers BSB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Sorry, but nope, just rules and units for the four featured Legions and some Mechanicum stuff at the back. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Sergeant Bohemond Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Thanks for that, guess I will be holding out then until they make it worth while for me to launch into it completely and just build models I like Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Except that Betrayal has the core Legion list and Massacre (and later books) will most likely not include the core list. No matter what you will need the first book to play 30k. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Eh. Just means more fluff. :) On the other hand, what they may mean is that Betrayal will have all the rules and weapon options while each new book is just adding and adding and adding units and weapons. It actually makes sense. Especially since it looks like each new book isn't just adding new Legions, but adding onto the ones already shown while adding enough for the new ones that every Legion has the same number of special units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 People seem to be forgetting that it was said at Forge World Open Day that the core legion list will be reprinted every three books. So there's one for the Istvaan's and Phall, one for Signus, Prospero, and Calth, etc. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455351 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Except that in the e-mail about reserving a copy of Massacre at Games Day, says that you will need a copy of Betrayal to use the gaming content in Massacre. Which is why I said it will probably be no rule references in Massacre, just units. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455357 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 I'd not heard that the core list would be reprinted in every third book, it sounds unlikely though. At the moment as far as I know you need the first book to use any subsequent book because it has the core list that the legion special rules add to or alter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grand_master85 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Aye, I was at the Horus Heresy Weekender and they said that the Betrayal contains the Crusade-era list and book 2 and 3 will follow on from that. Books 4, 5 and 6 will likely be Prospero, Calth and Signus, and book 4 will contain another Army list. Now, if that is the same as the list in Book 1 or a variation, I can't recall. And the process will likely happen again for book 7 and so on. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455403 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 People seem to be forgetting that it was said at Forge World Open Day that the core legion list will be reprinted every three books. So there's one for the Istvaan's and Phall, one for Signus, Prospero, and Calth, etc. I have poured over all the FW release stuff and do not remember that ever being said. I can see the trilogies have a different Legion list (a navel boarding list, Armoured list, etc), but I can't see them re-printing the the core Legion list every 3 books. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455418 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Hopefully, the core list will NOT be reprinted every third book... What I hope happens is that FW releases "updated" army lists with each upcoming trilogy... We have a pre/during-Isvaan list, maybe have it change as time goes and we slowly crawl towards the Siege of Terra... (Although I have no clue what kind of changes we could see... ) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 If the release of new models is repeated with every book(each previous Legion getting one new unit with each new book; each new Legion getting the same amount in "new" units), then by the time we reach the Siege, we should be seeing enough units to field unique, Legion-specific Lists. That is all assumption of course. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3455903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 That's my hope! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3456413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonkey Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 They mentioned something about the Horus Heresy's 6 Books being divided into trilogies. The books in each trilogy need one another in order to paint a complete picture of rules I think. Google should be able to help. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3456472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 6 books? Noooo, that's only the first 2 trilogies... First set (I-II-III) is about Istvaan : Betrayer, Massacre, Extinction? (can't remember); Istvaan III and V, as well as Phall to round out the last book (and add IF to the lot). With rules for 12 of the Legions (4 per book). The second set will feature notable battles that occured in the early days of the Heresy : traps that were laid down by the traitors for a few of the others : Calth, Prospero and Signus Prime, adding UMs, Wolves, KSons and BAs to the lot, for a total of 16 Legions by then. That still leaves 2 more Legions (DAs and Scars) as well as a whole lot more battles left to paint. There's bound to be more books coming afterwards. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3456522 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 There's supposed to be 9 books you still have mars terra prospero Thramis Calth Signus Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3456524 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Supposedly the FW books will eventually get ahead of the BL novels, methinks. Which leaves room for some Imperial Armour: Horus Heresy style books, with previously unknown battles. It'd work for Dark and Blood Angels, especially the former, as Thramas is up until now pretty much centered on the Lion and Curze dancing 'Flay me to the Moon'. Or they can pretty much just flesh out Thramas. But I'd still like some original battles. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3456831 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Even if they do get fleshed out, some IA style campaigns would still be awesome. GW/FW fluff is different from BL fluff. BL can provide us with the inside scoop on specific elements, watch it unfold as it unfolds, from the eyes of those who were there. GW/FW gives us the history textbooks of the events, giving us the bird's eye view of the entire event, with all its players and shenanigans available for us to see. FW can let us see it and BL can let us feel it. I would not mind one bit if they went that route. I know some are getting exhausted with the never-ending story BL has going, but for me? More the merrier. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3457170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Besides, the whole of 40K is suppose to be a never-ending story that literally spans the entire galaxy for ten thousand years! Give or take depending how far back the Unification goes. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3457185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Unification from start to great crusade beginnings was approx 300 yrs iirc. Had to breed out the races hate of him as a tyrant with a couple of generations and whilst that was happening he was doing his genetic experiments and crud Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3458118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Ah. So we have 40,300 years to fill spanning an entire galaxy. Yeah, that story will end long after my grandchildren are dead and buried. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3458129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Yeah pretty much :/ I just want more background on the unification wars. Favourite heresy story is the last church. It's an amazing piece of work Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279899-question-about-betrayal/#findComment-3458134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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