Aqui Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Reading through the new Codex, I came across the rules for the Ironclad assault launchers (page 126 of the physical Codex). The rules seem to be different. Has anyone had a game with an Ironclad equiped with them since it came out? (I realise that it's only been a short time, but I have seen that a fair number of Frater have already). Are the rules as they stand now better than before? They seem to be, but I'm still (re)learning the game, so have no experience with them yet. In any case, I still intend to have them on my Ironclad and any subsequent ones in the future. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 10, 2013 Share Posted September 10, 2013 Did not notice a difference. Guess I'll check when I get home. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456405 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted September 10, 2013 Author Share Posted September 10, 2013 Did not notice a difference. Guess I'll check when I get home.I've compared the entry in both 5th and current and they seem different to me, but as I said, I have little practical experience of them outside of this topic. Any input you and any other readers have to offer will be greatly appreciated Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I still haven't gotten my dex in the mail, no thanks to gws website glitching up my order. What changed about assault launchers exactly? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 I still haven't gotten my dex in the mail, no thanks to gws website glitching up my order. What changed about assault launchers exactly?5th Edition Codex: An Ironclad assault launcher is loaded with with a variety of anti personnel grenades that disorientate the enemy and drive them from cover. A Dreadnought with Ironclad Assault Launchers counts as being armed with both defensive and assault grenades. 6th Edition Codex: An Ironclad assault launcher is loaded with with a variety of anti personnel grenades that disorientate the enemy and drive them from cover. A model with Ironclad assault launchers does not suffer the penalty to its initiative for charging enemies through difficult terrain. Furthermore, enemies charging a model with IAC do not gain bonus attacks from charging unless the model was already locked in combat from a previous turn. I kinda know what that means, but as I've not used them at all yet (last few games I either forgot or had no chance to use them), I'm not sure what this means in "simple terms". Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nooo! They took away stealth! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nooo! They took away stealth! That's the only change. Instead of "offensive and defensive grenades," now they give the effects of offensive grenades and the charge protection of defensive grenades, without the Stealth inside 8" caveat. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456503 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqui Posted September 11, 2013 Author Share Posted September 11, 2013 Nooo! They took away stealth! That's the only change. Instead of "offensive and defensive grenades," now they give the effects of offensive grenades and the charge protection of defensive grenades, without the Stealth inside 8" caveat. So no +1 to cover saves? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Not anymore... :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excubitor Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Jeez, you'd think they'd let them keep the old rules, give people some sort of incentive to buy the things. Unless it was because assault centurions have them too... which just makes it even more stupid! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Well, the Stealth only applied within 8" anyway. Which matters against melta, I guess. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Molokai Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Are they even worth the points now? Reducing amount of cc attacks received is something I guess, but if you're taking more than one it adds up quick. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naminé Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Ironclads lost the stealth ability which kept them alive after drop-podding in, and the ability to throw a frag grenade in addition to thier other shooting attacks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 This isn't the era of Dreads at all :( At least it's not a massive change, we Dreadnuts must count the small blessings these days... Does anyone else wonder why GW hates Dreads and Heavy Bolters so much? Do you think their CEO was bullied by a HB Mortis Dread when he was a child or something? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456804 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron Father Ferrum Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I don't think this change made them bad, by any stretch, though. I loved using the Stealth caveat, but it rarely helped, since I never popped my smoke launchers anyway. I paid for a second heavy flamer, I'm damn well going to use both of them every shooting phase possible to hose down as much infantry as possible with burning promethium-laden death. The key to Ironclads wasn't in the assault launchers, it never has been. It's in AV13, period. The most common anti-dread weapons in the game are plasma, melta, and krak grenades. The grenades can't touch you. The plasma can't pen you. Melta. . . . well, there's less of it floating around, so plan your drop accordingly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3456991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Not at all, but it's another kick to Dreads without a good reason. I don't think anyone reported invulnerable Ironclads stomping armies with their terrifying Stealth rule... I'll keep running them though no matter what GW does, but it's galling to have such an iconic unit feel increasingly sidelined. They could have at least thrown a grav cannon as an option as a bone, it wouldn't have been hard to add a line to the unit entry. Fortunate that Ironclads still do what they do well as I'm quite partial to them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3457030 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 I'm very fond of the old rules. Stealth saved my dread on numerous occasions, especially when all I had was a 6+. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3457086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 11, 2013 Share Posted September 11, 2013 Ironclads lost the stealth ability which kept them alive after drop-podding in, and the ability to throw a frag grenade in addition to thier other shooting attacks. Hahah! Tossing a frag grenade never even occured to me. Anyway, as DEF mentioned, the Ironclad's major feature is the AV13 (as far as I'm concerned). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/279978-ironclad-dreadnoughts-in-the-new-codex/#findComment-3457707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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