emptyglass Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Yes its another missing Primarch thread. Sort of. Yes it could just be a case of fallen to chaos, alien lover. Which if they sent the troops to the Ultra's, So if all the Primarchs are aspects of the Emperor. Horus his charisma / lust for power. Guilliman his organisational skills. Possibly even a third faction to the throne. Which might explain why he was consolidating, instead of aiding Terra. Subject for another day Angon his rage. Sanguinius his fore sight / compassion, maybe. Can anyone tell me every Primarch's major trait and what are the 2 major aspects that seem to be missing from the Emp are. I dont seem to remember any of them being tell me everything, big brown eyed girls. As hes portraited when talking to mortals anyway Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reasonable Commissar Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 His sexyness Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458657 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Hey, Fulgrim has to work too, you know... I know or can guess a few: 1. The Lion is the Emperor's martial mind, unbridled by conscience (this seems to be a constant, the Primarchs' Emperor-derived traits are always unbridled by an opposite trait) 2. Dorn is the Emperor's commitment to duty and obedience, with no tolerance for hipocrisy or masking the truth 3. Angron would always have been the Emperor's rage, even without the nails, supposedly. With no restraint whatsoever... 4. Guilliman is the Emperor's strategic and administrative mind at work. Don't know what opposite trait he'd have, Guilliman is just not a people's person, so he might be unbridled by deep human feelings. 5. Corax might be the Big E's more somber side of his mind, its sharpness. It's dagger, so to speak. 6. Curze is a troubling one, though easy. He's the part of the Emperor that has no patience left for opposition or Ye Ol' Warfare/Fair Justice. 7. Lorgar's part was referred in First Heretic, but I can't recall it. He seems to be Curze's opposite, maybe a side of the Emperor that wishes he could just talk all humans into following him. Note: Word Bearers-conquered worlds were extremely loyal, with very few if any cases of post-conquest dissidence. 8. Vulkan is the Emperor's conscience, which told him slaughtering humans wasn't the right way to make them join him. Not always, at least. Note: Curze managed to break the embodiment of the Emperor's conscience...earning him much praise in the form of hammer-blows to the forehead. 9. The Alphas are the Emperor's ability to think out-of-the-box. And to overthink, apparently, since they're turning on each other. 10. Perturabo is his his father's engineer/builder facet. A builder of Empires, of structures, of machines. 11. Fulgrim is the Emperor's search for perfection and love/skill for the finer arts. 12. Sanguinius is the Emperor's 'White Knight' side. Pure, honest, uncorruptible and caring for everything human it finds. 13. Horus, as said, is the Emperor's charismatic and high-achieving side. 14. Jaghatai...hmm...maybe the Emperor's free spirit? The White Scars are extremely independent, to the point of seeming almost disconnected from the Imperium's troubles. 15. Can't figure out what Russ is...the Emperor's authority? His (strict) fatherly side? 16. Magnus is the Emperor's pure search for knowledge, unbridled by, it seems, a notion of danger or limits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 4. Guilliman is the Emperor's strategic and administrative mind at work.Paperwork for the Paperwork God! ....Sorry, just couldn't stop myself from typing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 4. Guilliman is the Emperor's strategic and administrative mind at work.Paperwork for the Paperwork God! ....Sorry, just couldn't stop myself from typing Well somebody has to do it, right? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I'd say Corax is the Emperor's ability to remain in the shadows and evaluate his position. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Aye, something like the hunter's patience. Corax is very specific. It'd be easier if he was a very dark, brooding fellow, but what little I've read doesn't show him that way. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3458803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Pessimism missing? maybe peturabo, but he is more of the big picture future utopia guy I mean are we just looking for virtues? or vices too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459308 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 His love is missing and his guilt Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperors Immortals Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Perhaps at least one primarch was never corporeal - perhaps he (they) were meant to just float around like helpful ghosts. But the emperor's warp lore would be Magnus, though concerns of threats outside his empire could be Perturabos paranoia? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459408 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Týr Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Guilliman is The Emperor's spirit or his soul if you will. That's one of the reasons Guilliman was a master empire builder. He may not have had the vision (that was Horus' thing) but he knew the spirit of the Emperors work and design. A galaxy moulded into a shape suitiable for man. While Horus had The Emperor's vision of a conquered galaxy Guilliman had the heart of what that empire was to be like. I would say Russ represented the fatherliness of The Emperor. And natural leadership an older brother or father has. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunkyMonkey Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I kind of disagree with the negative trait for Dorn. The positive trait, the loyalty and duty is totally right, but I don't think it's ever been demonstrated that the Emperor has no patience for hypocrisy or masking the truth. Look at his relationship to Lorgar, daemons, and psykers. The Emperor plainly knows that everything that Lorgar is saying is true (except for the Emperor's deification, which is more a matter of perspective than absolute truth), yet he continues to roll with the Imperial Truth just so that he could create a psychic well of ignorance of the Immaeterium, which in itself, is using the Immaeterium to further his own goals against the Immaeterium. Lorgar, really, might have been motivated by superstition, but everything he said he had proof for, pretty convincing proof, I might add. Apart from the motivation, Lorgar basically suffered persecution for speaking the truth, which is something that we'd normally find a parallel in the real to in the form of organized religion persecuting those who espoused well-supported scientific principles. I would say the Emperor is full of hypocrisy. People tend to dismiss it as being for the greater good for humanity, but if we're going by the Dorn trait, hypocrisy is hypocrisy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Angel Scout Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Ferrus Manus for tech knowledge. Going on the theory of the thread, one element is the Emperor's medical/healing capabilities with two examples that come to mind being how he treated the priest in the Last Church and they way he "healed" the titan in Mechanicum. Could be that one of the missing primarch's had extremely limited martial abilities, would have risen to cult leader on their homeworld or refused to bring compliance against systems with humans who wished to be independent? Would like to think that Angron was more the Wrath element, to bring complete and utter ruin yet due to the effect of the Nail's, became twisted towards rage (uncontrolled wrath) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 @Funky: I agree, mate, but the Primarchs didn't mimic the Emperor. They embodied one of his aspects more strongly than other personality traits and the rest was up to them. There is certainly a side to the Emperor that longs for truth and straightforwardness. He doesn't use it a lot, for sure, but it's there. Just like there is a wrathful side to the Big E yet he doesn't make two Custodes out of one every time he breaks a nail. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3459923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
High MarshalGR Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 The Emperor is not presented in his fullest. What is certain for him, is that he is the power of Order in flesh, which makes him alone the anathema of Chaos which wants to destroy it's natural opposite. Other than that, the Emperor has tolerance for hypocrisy and uses as we can suspect since it is a human trait, but he does have a lust for truth which he alone can understand. Maybe it is because of the Emperor's perception of truth and what we lack as knowledge about him that we can't really estimate many reasons he has for not always revealing it due to his nature. He does reveal some, but keeps some hidden (the Imperial Truth, the secret Webway project he attempted). I would say that overally, the Emperor embodies all of the Primarch's traits with a perfect order between them (perfectly adjusted proportions of each), which is the sum of his personality (not to say that he is perfect as a being). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3460376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDarker Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 His willingness to be alone and in peace? Maybe a primarch forced to enter a war he doesn´t wanted?. Yes, Lorgar, was a bit like that, not a warrior, but i mean something "bigger". A pacifist, if you want. Someone who thinks that achieve power by force, even if it´s for the "greater good", it´s always bad. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3460421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Someone that just wanted to live..,then die. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280063-the-two-missing-aspects-of-the-emp/#findComment-3460469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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