Arufel87 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I am wondering if this is legal providing the CM has some form of relentless? I assume that the lack of fire points might make this impossible, however the rulebook doesn't seem to clarify the effects of indirect fire from within a vehicle. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 You cannot fire any weapons from inside a vehicle with no fire points. BRB page 78: Fire Points. "A single passenger can fire out of each fire point" - no fire point = no passengers may fire. An orbital bombardment counts as firing a ranged weapon. Codex SM page 79: Orbital Bombardment. "This counts as firing a ranged weapon" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 I thought that the fire points on a vehicle were for determining line of sight only? I could be wrong though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 They are used to determine LoS but you must either have 1 or more fire points or be open topped in order to fire out of the vehicle at all. A Land Raider has no fire points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 You could use a rhino, but then you have all the issues that the small box brings, namely being easy to kill and thus not safe to put a CM in usually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 My thoughts exactly... I'm thinking the only effective way to run him is on a bike then. It's a shame because I really wanted to run a raider and 2 vindicators for large blast craziness on turn 2. Ah well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyroknight Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 If you put him in TDA, he gains relentless and could fire the bombardment upon disembarking from the land raider. Just an option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axagoras Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 What do you need relentless for its not a salvo or heavy weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 What do you need relentless for its not a salvo or heavy weapon. Re-read Relentless. Preferably from the 6th ed rulebook. EDIT: Spelling! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I would say yes, you can fire from within the vehicle. Barrage allows you to fire without LOS. Counts as Firing a ranged weapon only means you cannot assault in the following assault phase and cannot run. Barrage overrules the requirement for LOS. Ordnance prevents you from moving. So like you said, you would still have to have a Relentless Chapter Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 You must still have the option to fire, and passengers I believe are disallowed from firing. Also you need relentless because it is an ordnance weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswanick Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 I would say yes, you can fire from within the vehicle. Barrage allows you to fire without LOS. Counts as Firing a ranged weapon only means you cannot assault in the following assault phase and cannot run. Barrage overrules the requirement for LOS. Ordnance prevents you from moving. So like you said, you would still have to have a Relentless Chapter Master. Nope. "Unless specified differently in the vehicle's entry, a single passenger can fire out of each Fire Point and the other transported models cannot fire.", BRB, pg.78, Fire Points So a Land Raider has zero (0) Fire Points, therefore zero (0) transported passengers can fire out of the vehicle and all others may not. Including your Chapter Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 Ahh. Forgot that little tidbit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 I was thinking of disembarking from the raider and blasting away but I don't have the stones to risk having it scatter back onto my warlord! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 12, 2013 Share Posted September 12, 2013 How about: Have the Chapter Master deploy in the Raider He disembarks turn 1 and moves forward 6" The Raider then moves around and in front of him 12" screening him from the enemy He uses the orbital bombardment which doesn't require LoS The Raider uses PotMS to shoot 1 weapon at full BS, the rest snap shoot (a Crusader with a Multi-melta might be the best option here) At this point there is a big Land Raider completely obscuring the Chapter Master from the enemies return fire. In turn 2 he can then re-embark and the Raider can move off In turn 3 he can disembark and go after a (weakened) enemy unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 12, 2013 Author Share Posted September 12, 2013 That sounds like a devious tactic. I like it! Also the image of the Chapter Master saying BRB to his buddies is quite funny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Just a quick one as I've misplaced my book, are land raiders still dedicated transports for terminator squads? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arufel87 Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Thanks! There aren't enough heavy support slots for an Iron Hands army in the book so that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 How about: Have the Chapter Master deploy in the Raider He disembarks turn 1 and moves forward 6" The Raider then moves around and in front of him 12" screening him from the enemy He uses the orbital bombardment which doesn't require LoS The Raider uses PotMS to shoot 1 weapon at full BS, the rest snap shoot (a Crusader with a Multi-melta might be the best option here) At this point there is a big Land Raider completely obscuring the Chapter Master from the enemies return fire. In turn 2 he can then re-embark and the Raider can move off In turn 3 he can disembark and go after a (weakened) enemy unit. I though embarking/disembarking limited the vehicle to 6" if movement and no Flat Out? Haven't got my rulebook at hand, so I can only go off my memory here. Because if I'm wrong, my Dark Eldar just got a new toy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 If you disembark before the vehicle has moved (as detailed in m'plan) , it is unrestricted. If the vehicle moves first then you cannot embark or disembark if that move exceeded 6". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I though embarking/disembarking limited the vehicle to 6" if movement and no Flat Out? Haven't got my rulebook at hand, so I can only go off my memory here. Because if I'm wrong, my Dark Eldar just got a new toy. Not quite. A unit cannot disembark if the vehicle has moved more than 6", and the unit cannot embark or disembark part way through the vehicle's movement (pages 78-79). If the unit embarks before the vehicle has moved the vehicle cannot tank shock or ram, but otherwise moves normally. Edit after Dam13n posted: There is no restriction on how fast a vehicle moves before a unit embarks. Edit for anecdotal evidence: I once had a unit of terminators get out of the same land raider three times in one game, shooting and charging an enemy unit each time. I had to read those pages very closely to catch those White Scars! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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