Tonal Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 So, having read the short story "The Iron Within" recently and having had some time to mull over it, I was wondering what might have become of it's awesome protagonist, Warsmith Barabas Dantioch. *SPOILERS* In the story, as any who have read it would know, Dantioch, his second in command, a Sargent, and two Battle Brothers escape alongside the Ultramarines Honor Guard Nicodemus, seize the Iron Warriors ship in orbit, and then head to meet up with the Ultramarines to join the Battle for Terra. Now, as we all know, the Ultramarines missed that particular party due to the Battle of Cath, leaving me to think that Dantioch's loyalists managed to meet up with the Ultramarines shortly before Calth as Nicodemus was also present there. It could be thought that Dantioch and his men were slain during the Battle of Calth or executed shortly after the Heresy for their traitor brother's misdeeds, but I honestly can't see Guilliman allowing that. Throughout The Iron Within it is made clear that the Primarch highly valued Dantioch and had a great plan for him, as I believe Nicodemus even states outright. A loyal Astartes so skilled in seigeworks and fortress building, as well as so resourceful and shrewd, is not something the Imperium could afford to lose in the time of rebuilding after the Heresy. Now, my personal theory is that Dantioch and his men were absorbed into the Ultras, as is thought to have happened to other loyalists within the traitor legions, before being spat back out during the Second Founding as the officer core of a new chapter. It is, I know, rather unlikely, but it's something I could see Guilliman doing, and this new chapter would obviously use the Ultramarine's Gene Seed, so no complications there. So, having rambled on for entirely too long, what do you all think my fellow Astartes? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Dantioch and his men could have also met up with the other Loyalist "Traitors" and joined the Sigillite's new fun little band. I don't know that the Ultramarines would just "absorb" Marines from other Legions. It's only a rumor that the members of the two Expunged Legions ended up as Legion XIII. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3459731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonal Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 Absorbed was the wrong word I suppose; I'll revise that to sheltered. My thought was basically just Dantioch's merry band fighting with the Ultramarines during the Great Scouring before the Second Founding. There is also the possibility of helping to found te GK's, but only one could've gone and I'd place my money on the Iron Palatine rather then Dantioch himself. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wulfkry Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 It seemed to me that the end of the story alluded that he would be maybe needed on terra or maybe perhaps on titan to help shore up the defenses or help malc with his plans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460934 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonal Posted September 13, 2013 Author Share Posted September 13, 2013 It seemed like the plan was to join up with the Ultras and help out with the Seige, but seeing as the Ultras missed the Seige, I would assume Dantioch would too. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Since the goal of the story was that they would go to Terra and help the Imperial Fists fortify the Palace, I doubt they joined the Ultras. More like the handful of survivors joined the Imperial Fists. Or perhaps somewhere in the maelstrom of the Siege lies the corpses of a small handfull of Iron Warriors and an Ultramarine Tetrarch who were defending the wall. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 Seeing as we still have a 7 year time-gap to fill, I don't think the tussle with his traitor brethren is the last we'll see of old Dantioch. A character like that has some strong plot armor. Since they didn't kill him in Know no Fear or Mark of Calth, we'll definitely be seeing him again, and before the Siege of Terra most likely. My guess is that he'll crop up in Unremembered Empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 13, 2013 Share Posted September 13, 2013 No, Unremembered Empire would end up taking place after the Ruinstorm was initiated. Guilliman only found out about the betrayal at Calth. That means there is a very small chance for the Tetrarch to get out. So unless the Ruinstorm fizzled out within the next two-ish years, its going to be a pain for everyone to get into Ultramar. Although apparently some White Scars, Dark Angels and Blood Angels will make their way, possibly because they were placed there rather than actually getting in. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3460983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Tyler Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'm more inclined to think that Dantioch helps in preparing the defenses of Terra and later becomes one of the founding Grand Masters of a certain little Chapter on Titan. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3461509 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted September 14, 2013 Share Posted September 14, 2013 I'm more inclined to think that Dantioch helps in preparing the defenses of Terra and later becomes one of the founding Grand Masters of a certain little Chapter on Titan. But that's a happy ending..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3461537 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Id always thought that it would be something a bit lazier, like they become the silver skulls after some kind of holy vision? but that would be silly seeing as the silver skulls logo is just a distortion of the iron warriors one and thats all im really going off. Other than that I love dantioch Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3479378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Apparently word has leaked out regarding Unremembered Empire that he's in there which would make another foul up in the time line since Tauro Nicodemus was present at the battle of Calth then happened to bump into Dantioch in The Iron Within, whereby they held out for a year? Even after Calth supposedly taking place a year after Istvaan V according to the amount of time the Word Bearers and World Eaters spent travelling to Ultramar in Butcher's Nails? /braindies Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3484177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Calth was one year after Istvaan V. Iron Within and Savage Weapons were two years. Prince of Crows advanced it to three years. So since Unremembered Empire is after Prince of Crows, the timeline has enough room for us to fit everything in nicely. :whistling: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3484192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthamal Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I blame it on all this jumping around in the time line and ALWAYS ending up back with Istvaan V or just after Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3484220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Warp travel is never an exact science... BL rid write in a get out clause for justthese situations. Bless 'em Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3484632 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Ares- Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 Very Minor Spoiler ahead: Dantioch does indeed appear in Unremembered Empire and plays a important role in it. He is not on Macragge but does work with the Ultramarines. The events in Unremembered Empire happens 2 Years after Calth. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3502075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iron_Within Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I haven't yet read Unremembered Empire. If he survives the HH, then a good chance he ends up with the proto Grey Knights/Inquisition. Having Titan phase out of reality partly into the Warp so it can never be assailed is just mad enough to be a cool Dantioch kind of planet sized fortress. I mean he did design an exploding stalactite fortress. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3516434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkByDesign Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 So, having read the short story "The Iron Within" recently and having had some time to mull over it, I was wondering what might have become of it's awesome protagonist, Warsmith Barabas Dantioch. *SPOILERS* In the story, as any who have read it would know, Dantioch, his second in command, a Sargent, and two Battle Brothers escape alongside the Ultramarines Honor Guard Nicodemus, seize the Iron Warriors ship in orbit, and then head to meet up with the Ultramarines to join the Battle for Terra. Now, as we all know, the Ultramarines missed that particular party due to the Battle of Cath, leaving me to think that Dantioch's loyalists managed to meet up with the Ultramarines shortly before Calth as Nicodemus was also present there. It could be thought that Dantioch and his men were slain during the Battle of Calth or executed shortly after the Heresy for their traitor brother's misdeeds, but I honestly can't see Guilliman allowing that. Throughout The Iron Within it is made clear that the Primarch highly valued Dantioch and had a great plan for him, as I believe Nicodemus even states outright. A loyal Astartes so skilled in seigeworks and fortress building, as well as so resourceful and shrewd, is not something the Imperium could afford to lose in the time of rebuilding after the Heresy. Now, my personal theory is that Dantioch and his men were absorbed into the Ultras, as is thought to have happened to other loyalists within the traitor legions, before being spat back out during the Second Founding as the officer core of a new chapter. It is, I know, rather unlikely, but it's something I could see Guilliman doing, and this new chapter would obviously use the Ultramarine's Gene Seed, so no complications there. So, having rambled on for entirely too long, what do you all think my fellow Astartes? I love this novel and was wondering the same thing. They teleport out of the strong hold and take a ship but was there another novel after? It says that Guilliamn has plans for the old dude so I guess they were incorporated into the ultramarines. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3593099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted February 13, 2014 Share Posted February 13, 2014 Read Unremembered Empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3593121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I had a sneaking suspicion that Dantioch makes it to Terra and gives the crazy idea of teleporting into the Vengeful Spirit to the Emps and co because he was the one that used it in the Iron Within to good effect. At least that's what I thought the story was alluding to/foreshadowing Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3598313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arachnid99 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Take Kol_Saresk's advice and read Unremembered Empire. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280110-barabas-dantioch-spoilers/#findComment-3600188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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