Future proyect.

[GrandMagnus]

Greetings brothers,

Im a guy who likes to plan ahead on future proyects and I have set my mind to make an individual mini to represent each of the 18 legions (Im not sure yet if I will represent them in the 31st millenium or the 41st millenium). Since Im currently planing the basis for each of the minis, I need your help with a few fluff questions. Hopefully the die hard fans of all the legions/chapters can come up with good ideas on how to represent the spirit/nature/character of each legion:

Any suggestions on how to do the base are also welcome!

- Dark Angels: I definetly want to go with pre-heresy scheme here, the black armour is wonderfull. I have trouble with what weapon to give him, chainsword or power sword? I want him to be standing proud, with straight legs, covered in robes and holding a banner in one hand. Very inspired by the HH artwork.
- Emperors Children: Mk IV armour, no doubt about it. Maybe some bits from the palatine blades. Im thinking a sword would look good.
- Iron Warriors: Mk III armour... And thats all Ive got (Brother Heathens, maybe you have some input here??).
- White Scars: Again, no idea.
- Space Wolves: Lots of ideas, the only thing I cant decide on is: wolf claws or axe and shield combination.
- Imperial Fists: Very much inspired in crusader knights, armed maybe with a hammer or a mace.
- Night Lords: Need help here.
- Blood Angels: This is the first Im planing to do, I already have him more or less thought through but you are still welcome to come with ideas, although what would look best: a spear or a sword. I dont consider Blood Angels as "speesh vampires" as some people suggest, to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion.
- Iron Hands: MK III?... Bionics for sure. Maybe a power fist?
- World Eaters: Skulls, chain-axe, gladiator armour, not so dificult to imagine, but I could still use some insight.
- Ultramarines: Easy enough.
- Death Guard: Definetly MK III, maybe a kind of "gasmask" respirator. Weapon, I suppose a scythe would look logical, but I think its more of gardening tool rather than a weapon.
- Thousand Sons: Egyptian feel.
- Sons of Horus: With all the new bits, a bit of MK IV and some brutal weapons and we are good to go.
- Word Bearers: ... scrolls?...
- Salamanders: flamers, thunder hammer, meltas, I have no idea.
- Raven Guard: MK VI, and some of the RG bits from FW.
- Alpha Legion: ¿?

Thank you for your attention. Im sorry for the long post

EDIT: Admins, I might have posted this in the wrong place. If necesary move it. Thank you.

[Kol Saresk]

Night Lords: Any Mark can do really. It depends on your focus. If you want a stealthy-ish Night Lord, best bet would be Mk IV with a bolter and/or a knife. If you want terrifying, maybe go for the more brutal Mk II or Mk III and give them a chain-weapon or a really jagged-edged blade. Maybe even an axe.

[Verythrax Draconis]

Greetings brothers,

Im a guy who likes to plan ahead on future proyects and I have set my mind to make an individual mini to represent each of the 18 legions (Im not sure yet if I will represent them in the 31st millenium or the 41st millenium). Since Im currently planing the basis for each of the minis, I need your help with a few fluff questions. Hopefully the die hard fans of all the legions/chapters can come up with good ideas on how to represent the spirit/nature/character of each legion:

- Dark Angels: I definetly want to go with pre-heresy scheme here, the black armour is wonderfull. I have trouble with what weapon to give him, chainsword or power sword? I want him to be standing proud, with straight legs, covered in robes and holding a banner in one hand. Very inspired by the HH artwork. power sword for sure to match their knighthood origins

- Emperors Children: Mk IV armour, no doubt about it. Maybe some bits from the palatine blades. Im thinking a sword would look good. a palatine marine would be perfect, with blade(s)

- Iron Warriors: Mk III armour... And thats all Ive got (Brother Heathens, maybe you have some input here??). a chainsword or a devastator-type weapon?

- White Scars: Again, no idea. no helmet, top-knot, on a bike, if possible

- Space Wolves: Lots of ideas, the only thing I cant decide on is: wolf claws or axe and shield combination. both are fine, hard to decide. maybe I would go with the axe or hammer and save claws for other legion

- Imperial Fists: Very much inspired in crusader knights, armed maybe with a hammer or a mace. hammer, for sure. maybe even a termie

- Night Lords: Need help here. those claws would be nice here

- Blood Angels: This is the first Im planing to do, I already have him more or less thought through but you are still welcome to come with ideas, although what would look best: a spear or a sword. I dont consider Blood Angels as "speesh vampires" as some people suggest, to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion.

- Iron Hands: MK III?... Bionics for sure. Maybe a power fist? I would go with a MKIV or V, to avoid look so much like Iron Warriors. The fist is a nice idea.

- World Eaters: Skulls, chain-axe, gladiator armour, not so dificult to imagine, but I could still use some insight. chainaxe or a gladiatorial weapon, like a mace

- Ultramarines: Easy enough. vanilla, bolter at hand :D

- Death Guard: Definetly MK III, maybe a kind of "gasmask" respirator. Weapon, I suppose a scythe would look logical, but I think its more of gardening tool rather than a weapon. bingo

- Thousand Sons: Egyptian feel. those straight-curved egyptian style blades from Tomb Kings would be a nice touch

- Sons of Horus: With all the new bits, a bit of MK IV and some brutal weapons and we are good to go. yeah, I think the top-knots, skulls and spikes instead of studs tell the story nice enough

- Word Bearers: ... scrolls?... an open book at hand, preaching style?

- Salamanders: flamers, thunder hammer, meltas, I have no idea. flamer, the other ideas can be used elsewhere

- Raven Guard: MK VI, and some of the RG bits from FW. and a jump pack

- Alpha Legion: ¿? those legion armored-marines scouts, with cloack and sniper rifle ;)

Thank you for your attention. Im sorry for the long post

EDIT: Admins, I might have posted this in the wrong place. If necesary move it. Thank you.

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[GrandMagnus]

Kol: Im thinking the more sinister, grimlooking and spycotic murder machine for the Night Lords. The whole sneaky type just makes them look too much like RG or AL. After all they use terror tactics. I suppose, maybe claws as suggested by Verythrax would look suitable?

 

Verythrax: Great suggestions. On the note of the Imperial fists, Id rather do all in power armour since there are more kit-bash options here. The WB as a preacher, now I like that, good idea. Jump pack for RG is also good, maybe with the wings from the SG kit, kind of a raven wing idea.

[Verythrax Draconis]

Kol: Im thinking the more sinister, grimlooking and spycotic murder machine for the Night Lords. The whole sneaky type just makes them look too much like RG or AL. After all they use terror tactics. I suppose, maybe claws as suggested by Verythrax would look suitable?

 

Verythrax: Great suggestions. On the note of the Imperial fists, Id rather do all in power armour since there are more kit-bash options here. The WB as a preacher, now I like that, good idea. Jump pack for RG is also good, maybe with the wings from the SG kit, kind of a raven wing idea.

When I've considering the claws I was thinking on something like the marine jumping from the shadows to tear the victim to shreds, serial killer style ;)

Maybe, if your skills allow it, make the back in black, like he is coming out of shadows ;)

[Kol Saresk]

Claws can be suitable. I'd think to suggest looking at Freddy Krueger for that inspiration and not for the claws, but because he is very psychological in how he creates fear. The first movie and the remake can really hit in that aspect.

[Grim Dog Studios]

Greetings brothers,

Im a guy who likes to plan ahead on future proyects and I have set my mind to make an individual mini to represent each of the 18 legions (Im not sure yet if I will represent them in the 31st millenium or the 41st millenium). Since Im currently planing the basis for each of the minis, I need your help with a few fluff questions. Hopefully the die hard fans of all the legions/chapters can come up with good ideas on how to represent the spirit/nature/character of each legion:

- Dark Angels: I definetly want to go with pre-heresy scheme here, the black armour is wonderfull. I have trouble with what weapon to give him, chainsword or power sword? I want him to be standing proud, with straight legs, covered in robes and holding a banner in one hand. Very inspired by the HH artwork. Here, I would go for a powersword, Personally I'd try to replicate something that looks similar to the cover art of Fallen Angels.

- Emperors Children: Mk IV armour, no doubt about it. Maybe some bits from the palatine blades. Im thinking a sword would look good. I'd just use a palatine blade, or the legion champion guy with the big blade you can get from FW suitably blinged up!

- Iron Warriors: Mk III armour... And thats all Ive got (Brother Heathens, maybe you have some input here??). I'd go full MK III with a TH, with damaged armor? Not to sure on this one.

- White Scars: Again, no idea. On a bike, if possible! With a top knot, or possibly a chaos marauder horsemen head, with a curved blade similar to the one in the WS upgrade pack from GW direct.

- Space Wolves: Lots of ideas, the only thing I cant decide on is: wolf claws or axe and shield combination. Helmetless head, from one of the SW pack. With the power sword from the SW pack, because it is a beautiful sword with the runes etched into it. Possibly a shield in the other hand?

- Imperial Fists: Very much inspired in crusader knights, armed maybe with a hammer or a mace. Power Fist and a boarding shield I'm thinking here!

- Night Lords: Need help here. Dual lightning claws, with chains and severed heads!

- Blood Angels: This is the first Im planing to do, I already have him more or less thought through but you are still welcome to come with ideas, although what would look best: a spear or a sword. I dont consider Blood Angels as "speesh vampires" as some people suggest, to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion. I'd personally go for a sword!

- Iron Hands: MK III?... Bionics for sure. Maybe a power fist? Sounds good to me, I love the MK IV powerfists from FW and I think one would be perfect for an Iron Hand.

- World Eaters: Skulls, chain-axe, gladiator armour, not so dificult to imagine, but I could still use some insight. Pretty much what I would go for, maybe a spartan/roman style crest on his helmet?

- Ultramarines: Easy enough. I'd play up to their greco-roman style, helmet crest similar to the World Eater I mentioned above, a power sword in the shape of a gladius, a big red cloak, and one of those roman skirt things with the leather things (not sure what it is called)

- Death Guard: Definetly MK III, maybe a kind of "gasmask" respirator. Weapon, I suppose a scythe would look logical, but I think its more of gardening tool rather than a weapon. MK III, maybe a scythe like you mentioned, failing that a phobos pattern bolter, and make sure hes covered in dirt! ;)

- Thousand Sons: Egyptian feel. Pretty much what I'd do, I think in the TS upgrade pack from GW there is a MK IV chest, possible use that? And a tomb kings sword!

- Sons of Horus: With all the new bits, a bit of MK IV and some brutal weapons and we are good to go. Pretty much, spikey bits and a helmet top knot sounds good!

- Word Bearers: ... scrolls?... If you feel you are up to it, maybe a bald head covered in tattooed literature like Erebus? Plenty of parchments and purity seals hanging from him, and a big mace/crozius arcanum.

- Salamanders: flamers, thunder hammer, meltas, I have no idea. Maybe some greenstuff scales somewhere? On a cloak or loincloth maybe. And a nice big melta/flamer!

- Raven Guard: MK VI, and some of the RG bits from FW. Sounds good, maybe a Jump Pack too!

- Alpha Legion: ¿? Very plain/basic MK IV armor, maybe holding a sharp knife in one hand whilst in an "advancing slowly" pose?

Thank you for your attention. Im sorry for the long post

EDIT: Admins, I might have posted this in the wrong place. If necesary move it. Thank you.

Comments in Cyan.

[GrandMagnus]

Verythrax: Hmmm... coming out of the shadows... that sure would be a challenge and thats what Im looking for. I will consider that, good idea.

 

Kol: Thats what I was thinking for Night Lords. Both the spychotic murderer aspect and the pure terror of darkness portrayed by the NL. I think a skull helmet with wings might be suitable.

 

B.C Wulox: Of course the space wolves would be helmetless, hes a hero after all! The axe and shield idea seems better than a sword for the SW, since axes are a the trademark of vikings, so likewise for SWs. The shield for the IF I like, thats a good idea, but Im not keen on the fist, I would like him to look (as mentioned) as a knight, so a mace/hammer/flail might be best. Heavy flamer and scales, good idea for the Salamander.

 

*Another thing (will be edited into the first post): any suggestions for how to base them?

[Verythrax Draconis]

How about each one with bits from a different legions (no duplicates) based on the rivalries and show offs during the heresy?

[GrandMagnus]

How about each one with bits from a different legions (no duplicates) based on the rivalries and show offs during the heresy?

Im not sure what you mean. Are you talking about adding bits of marine to the bases and painting them as a member of a rival legion?

[Onisuzume]

Blood Angels: to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion.

So a burning flame with six wings? (Seraphim)

A four-headed being with six wings? (Cherubim)

Two wheels built into each-other covered with eyes? (Ophanim)

Might cause some modelling issues.

[GrandMagnus]

Blood Angels: to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion.

So a burning flame with six wings? (Seraphim)

A four-headed being with six wings? (Cherubim)

Two wheels built into each-other covered with eyes? (Ophanim)

Might cause some modelling issues.

Touché brother, touché... But you all know what I mean

[Kol Saresk]

More like the Renaissance paintings of men with wings. Right?

[GrandMagnus]

More like the Renaissance paintings of men with wings. Right?

Yeap. I just calling them angels because thats what I know them as.

[Tyrannicide]

My vote is to see these representations from mid-Great Crusade. Gonna be awesome if you go through with this. :)

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

More like the Renaissance paintings of men with wings. Right?

Yeap. I just calling them angels because thats what I know them as.

 

 

You're not wrong. There are descriptions throughout the Bible of angels appearing in a variety of shapes and forms from normal men(the two strangers who Lot protected from being beat in Sodom and Gommorah) to four-faced beings(Revelation of John) to something with a lion's head(somewhere in the Old Testament, can't quite remember where). And of course, there is always Satan appearing as a serpent in the Garden.

 

So, it actually isn't a big deal if you only remember one appearance over the rest, especially when that specific appearance is the one that has mostly been put it into artwork.

[Conn Eremon]

 

- Dark Angels: I definetly want to go with pre-heresy scheme here, the black armour is wonderfull. I have trouble with what weapon to give him, chainsword or power sword? I want him to be standing proud, with straight legs, covered in robes and holding a banner in one hand. Very inspired by the HH artwork. 

Power sword. You want the power sword. Far more Knightly. Honestly, I'd rather him have a menacing martial pose with the blade and  banner, rather than stiff and tall.

 

- Emperors Children: Mk IV armour, no doubt about it. Maybe some bits from the palatine blades. Im thinking a sword would look good.

Crouching Marine, bolter to his shoulder, as if he is kneeling in a firing line.

- Iron Warriors: Mk III armour... And thats all Ive got (Brother Heathens, maybe you have some input here??).

Small shovel, both hands on the grip, blade pointing down, arms slightly raised, blade red with blood. You know, trench cqc.

- White Scars: Again, no idea.

Whatever he is doing, he needs to be going. Y'know? Either put him on a mount, wind blowing, or model him at a flat out run. Actually, running, holding a chainsword up while firing away with his pistol would look bad :cuss .

- Space Wolves: Lots of ideas, the only thing I cant decide on is: wolf claws or axe and shield combination.

Recon squad, kneeling down with one arm touching the ground, eyes scanning the low horizon. A tracker.

- Imperial Fists: Very much inspired in crusader knights, armed maybe with a hammer or a mace.

Oooh, oooh, oooh! A flail.

- Night Lords: Need help here.

Give him a pillar to crawl up?

- Blood Angels: This is the first Im planing to do, I already have him more or less thought through but you are still welcome to come with ideas, although what would look best: a spear or a sword. I dont consider Blood Angels as "speesh vampires" as some people suggest, to me they are the classic imagery of angels from the christian religion.

I have always been more partial to the spear over the sword, aesthetically speaking.

 

- Iron Hands: MK III?... Bionics for sure. Maybe a power fist?

Over-sized bionic hand as a counts-as power fist?

- World Eaters: Skulls, chain-axe, gladiator armour, not so dificult to imagine, but I could still use some insight.

Go for something a bit more unique. Give him a sword.

- Ultramarines: Easy enough.

Oh, is it? *diabolical laugh* . . .  Yeah, I got nothing that isn't already a basic Ultramarine look . . .

- Death Guard: Definetly MK III, maybe a kind of "gasmask" respirator. Weapon, I suppose a scythe would look logical, but I think its more of gardening tool rather than a weapon.

Ooh, make him an apothecary. Combined with the gas mask and he could look like a plague doctor.

- Thousand Sons: Egyptian feel.

Just to be abnormal, make him a heavy weapons specialist. Sure, he can make fireballs. But plasma cannon.

- Sons of Horus: With all the new bits, a bit of MK IV and some brutal weapons and we are good to go.

Go non-Justaerin. A sea green commander would look cool.

- Word Bearers: ... scrolls?...

EVERYWHERE. Arm raised up and mouth wide as if he's giving the best damn oration man has ever known.

- Salamanders: flamers, thunder hammer, meltas, I have no idea.

Helmet-less termie with a hammer and shield. Hammer is horizontal and held behind him, shield is up front and the Marine has his bulk behind it. Make it look like there's something behind him you can't see, but he is clearly protecting it. Probably a small child.

 

Like with others, changes made are in a different color. These are just my ideas. I'm trying to go with different ideas, just to give you something to think about.

 

Coding went all whonky when I got the Raven Guard, so eff it I'll leave it there.

[GrandMagnus]

Darth Potato: Mid GC is a nice idea. Although I will be adding a few pieces that might be considered MK VII, but never an entire suit. The FW books after all say that there were many sub-types of PA so I think I can pull that off.

 

Kol: Good then.

 

Cormac: I like that you have come up with a lot of diferent options, thank you for that. I agree with the spear on the BA, its a weapon you dont see often on space marines, usually only on white scars. And talking about white scars, of course there is going to be some movement on him! WS are known for their speed so it would be bad not add that. Im thinking of how to incorporate a bike into a mini diorama... It could look good...

Non juestaerin on the SofH? Of course, I want the spirit of the legion, not the unique veteran squad, so your "average"-joe marine heroe-veteran (okay... maybe not so average...). And a word bearer with a raised hand I can imagine that and I like it, preaching like no man has preached before.

[Tyrannicide]

Darth Potato: Mid GC is a nice idea. Although I will be adding a few pieces that might be considered MK VII, but never an entire suit. The FW books after all say that there were many sub-types of PA so I think I can pull that off.

 

For reals. You're telling me the Mark IV suits we've seen are the only ones being produced on a galactic scale, yeah right. 

 

I say as long as it generally follows the flow of 30k, it's all good. Which your Heresy minis do. :)

[Onisuzume]

And of course, there is always Satan appearing as a serpent in the Garden.

That's the first woman, actually, Lilith, not satan.

Touché brother, touché... But you all know what I mean

True, but I always like to tease things a bit.

[Kol Saresk]

 

 

And of course, there is always Satan appearing as a serpent in the Garden.

That's the first woman, actually, Lilith, not satan.

Actually, no. Lilith didn't even become the "first woman" until the 8th or 10th century AD. The closest thing that existed to her before then was an Babylonian daemonette called "lilitu", or something like that. In the oldest authenticated copies of the Bible, like the Hebrew Pentatuech, Greek Septuigent and Vulgate Latin, it was always Satan.

 

Beings like Lilith are a part of what is called "apocrypha". The word itself means "non-canon; obscure; dubious". It is used to describe a series of books that were once believed to be a part of the Bible but were either proven to have not been written by said author, or did not exist in the older Hebrew texts. Lilith is aporcyphral, not biblical.

 

Trust me, I'm a preacher's kid. :D

[GrandMagnus]

Okay, so now we solved that little riddle, lets not change the subject of the topic.

 

Haven taken into account what you has been suggested so far I have managed to finish my basic idea for 2 of the legions (at some point I will be doing a few sketchs for myself to visualize it). Im still a bit at a loss for the bases.

 

- Dark Angel: Standing tall and proud, a bit intimidating, which means he will look a bit stiff, holding a banner in one hand and a sword in the other. His face will be covered with a cowl, his armour by robes (maybe one leg visible would be good), and a cape covering one pauldron.If I can manage it I will add some gothic style armour plates to the armour. Another option was to give him a knightly helmet with the wings, any opinions on that?

 

- Blood Angel: As I mentioned Ive already got this guy mostly planed, Im still in a bit of a loss between sword or spear, I like both. He will be running/advancing, with a weapon in his right hand and the left hand free. Helmetless, long fair hair like seen in some BA artwork (not black hair, that will be for either RG or NL). Armour is artificier, so the torso from the SG, DC legs, MK II pauldrons, DC backpack (the one with a halo).

 

So, any opinions on the ideas and any suggestions for the bases. I will keep working the fluff, suggestions, artwork and such to further my planing for the other 16. Im still open for suggestion on the others.

[Conn Eremon]

Well, Lilitu were commonly depicted as serpents in Akkadian myth, and can be seen in the Bible, not just the apocryphal books (which is a whole other mess). Serpents are everywhere in an English bible, but the original Hebrew used dozens of different terms with radically different meanings. The serpent in Genesis had an Egyptian name that indicated pre-cognitive capabilities. Hence his argument that Eve would surely not die by eating of the tree, and her believing him.

 

Though Lilith as the first wife is rather new, and her leaving Adam instead of being subservient even newer, as an entity she can be found often. Lamia also means Lilith, in those cases where the Latin terms were kept.

 

Edit: I hate touchscreens! Posted too soon, will edit again with some on topic stuff I had meant to include in the first place.

 

Edit the Second: I am honestly not fond of the winged helms of the Angels. Nut go for it if you are.

 

Running with Kol's idea, look up Naginata and Nagamaki. First is a spear with a sword at tge end, the second is a sword with a hilt equal to the blade in length. These are Japanese weapons, but there is no reason you can't be inspired by them and model a more Western weapon with those features.

[Kol Saresk]

-Blood Angel

 

Perhaps give it something like a half-spear(honestly don't know if that term exists). Basically, have the blade of a regular-sized sword(or short sword) but then give it a handle just as long as the blade? It'll be a way of giving him both. I think.

[GrandMagnus]

I think I might give him a sword and leave the spear for the Thousand Sons or the White Scars. I was thinking the blade from a tomb kings sword on top of a spear pole would look good for a TS.