Can Primarchs Truly Die?

[Emperor's Furor]

If it's true that the Emperor combined advanced genetics with the use of the Warp, then can Primarchs truly die? Would part of them not simply be like a Daemon in that they can be physically banished (in a very hard way) but perhaps live on in the Warp until they are able to be manifested back into reality?

[hisdudeness]

I don't know...maybe we should ask Horus?

[Vile Siren]

I think primarchs can die but I do think it is interesting that both Vulkan and Fulgrim are haunted by Ferrus Manus' ghost even if it is just them going insane!

[Grim Dog Studios]

I don't know...maybe we should ask Horus?

 

Would be interesting if the so-called "End-time" was when Horus emerges from the Warp reborn, with a gigantic army of daemons from the warp and most of the CSM armies, and goes to finish his business on Terra.

[Conn Eremon]

Poor Abaddon . . .

[Kurgan the Lurker]

All of them can except for Vulkan it would seem, based off Vulkan Lives. Of course since attaining daemon-prince status, some of the Chaos Primarchs may be immortal now too.

[Wade Garrett]

I don't know...maybe we should ask Horus?

I tried asking Curze but he hasn't answered me. Maybe I need to ask louder?

[GrandMagnus]

 

I don't know...maybe we should ask Horus?

 

Would be interesting if the so-called "End-time" was when Horus emerges from the Warp reborn, with a gigantic army of daemons from the warp and most of the CSM armies, and goes to finish his business on Terra.

Not possible according to fluff. When the Emperor dealt Horus the final blow (A.K.A when he blew his brains out with a mighty spychich blow) he made sure that the power of the warp could not reanimate Horus and bring him back.

[Fallen11]

I think primarchs can die but I do think it is interesting that both Vulkan and Fulgrim are haunted by Ferrus Manus' ghost even if it is just them going insane!

Well,Fulgrim is banished in dark corners of his mind,unable to do anything. Daemon is controlling him and has possessed his body.

[Ace Debonair]

 

I don't know...maybe we should ask Horus?

I tried asking Curze but he hasn't answered me. Maybe I need to ask louder?

 

I tried to ask Dorn, but the only response I got was 'Talk to the Hand'.

[Conn Eremon]

I tried talking to Ferrus Manus, but we just couldn't schedule a face to face.

[Augustus]

Given what happened in Betrayer 

(the resurrection of Cyrene)

and how pretty much everyone you think has died in the series reappears....I'd say no one can truly die ;D

[Kol Saresk]

Given what happened in Betrayer

(the resurrection of Cyrene)

and how pretty much everyone you think has died in the series reappears....I'd say no one can truly die ;D

Well, IIRC it used to be that Lesser Daemons were not only smaller manifestations of their gods, but they were also the souls of the faithful servants that had died. Furies in particular would be the Undivided servants.

 

So theoretically, yes. No one dies. However, there have been weapons that have been shown to cause a true death. These are the Shards of Erebus. And possibly the anatheme. The most extraordinary use of them was when one was used to cause M'Kar's "true death" in The Chapter's Due. A a daemon prince, he actually consumed an entire horde of daemons to sustain himself, but his connection to the warp had been cut off and he died. Permanently. Most likely the same thing happened to Argel Tal since his connection to Raum was destroyed by a different Shard of Erebus. If that theory holds, Argel will never be resurrecte because there is nothing to resurrect.

 

So true deaths are possible. And since the Shards are made from an anathame which was made by a species that fought Chaos, who is to say other weapons can't exist? It is entirely possible that Ferrus has suffered a true death, even if he was only killed by a daemon sword. Actually, counting how daemons like to devour souls, when I've yet to hear what happens to devoured souls so there's food for thought.

[Wade Garrett]

Ferrous was killed by the laer blade, not Anathame.

[Conn Eremon]

The Shards of Erebus were made by shattering the Anathame. Ferrus Manus was slain by the daemon sword found on Laer.

[Kol Saresk]

Stand corrected

Still, it's possible.

[Marshal Rohr]

Where GRR Martin loves to kill characters it would seem BL can't commit.

[Wade Garrett]

Where GRR Martin loves to kill characters it would seem BL can't commit.

Have you read Dance of Dragons yet? Because, well...

[Conn Eremon]

GRRM likes to make us wonder a lot on whether a character lived or died. He likes to play on the many perspectives, forcing us, the readers, to be as in the dark about other characters as the one currently giving the perspective is. Sure, he has no qualms of actually killing a character off, if the circumstances demand it

[Wade Garrett]

GRRM likes to make us wonder a lot on whether a character lived or died. He likes to play on the many perspectives, forcing us, the readers, to be as in the dark about other characters as the one currently giving the perspective is. Sure, he has no qualms of actually killing a character off, if the circumstances demand it

 

Ser Robert Strong is Ned Stark.

 

There, I said it! Now, off to Ultramar to stop the secret traitor Guilliman before he foils the plots of secretly loyal Alpharius, who is really Ferrous Manus brought back to life by Fabius Bile except he was all like, "Chaos? I'm TOO REAL FOR CHAOS!" and then he punched Fabius to death, and the guy running around on the tabletop in 40k is really FABRIKUS, the crazy Mengele Apocethary of the World Eaters.

[GhostMalone]

Iirc there was something about the primarchs being bound warp entities. That chaos wanted them back and the pact between the emp and chaos which he then betrayed to extinguish chaos.

 

And something about corax being similar to a warp infused word bearer in soul forge sort if lead me to believe that they may be more than just warp touched.

 

There's still so much about the warp that we don't know, maybe those that were claimed by chaos ie mortarion fulgrim Magnus and angron were truly parts of each entity infused into an organic gene manipulated host?

 

If the primarch added flipping wolf DNA and other things like allowing BA to be vampiric monsters.

 

It wouldn't suprise me if he truly felt he could control fragments of pure chaos and turn them to weapons.

 

Bits of tzeentch could be used in kurze and sanguinus hence there pshycic gifts/potential.

 

The emperor may have used his DNA to stabilise the chaotic bound entities? Just my theory

[Conn Eremon]

I doubt it is Daemon entities bound in flesh. I believe it's not just the Emperor's DNA but his soul as well.

[GhostMalone]

Not necessarily Deamons more like entities of warp power. Maybe essences that had not yet reached sentinence such as hope love and so on. If khorne is hate murder and rage to me that means there could be minor entities such as hope that aren't at the point where they are self sufficient like the big 4 but still have god like powers

[Conn Eremon]

I think those were things that might have existed long, long, looong ago in the Warp, but had been since been eradicated utterly. Magnus thought they still existed, and it ended up being Tzeentch all along.

[Wade Garrett]

Not necessarily Deamons more like entities of warp power. Maybe essences that had not yet reached sentinence such as hope love and so on. If khorne is hate murder and rage to me that means there could be minor entities such as hope that aren't at the point where they are self sufficient like the big 4 but still have god like powers

 

Errrm....Tzeencht is specifically stated to be the God of Hope, just as Khorne has managed to grab Martial Honor for his portfolio. In the grim darkness of the Warp, absolutely everything is out to get you. EVERYTHING.