Cataphractii vs Tartaros Terminator Plate

[Balthamal]

Quick question since I'm still waiting on my copy of Betrayal (grumble, post man being ill, grumble grumble) and was wondering if the rules reflect any differences between Tartaros Terminator Armour or Cataphractii?

 

Personally I like Tartaros better since Cataphractii seems a bit too cumbersome and above all loud, for Night Lords

[FunkyMonkey]

I don't know if there are any rules difference released yet.  Perhaps there will be rules in Book II.  As far as I know, Cataphractii has the slow and purposeful and 4++ save.  I assume Tartaros, being suppossedly the most maneuverable of the three terminator armor types, will not have slow and purposeful.  I don't know if it's going to have any difference in save compared to the normal Indomitus pattern, but according to lore, it does have better protection, though I'm not sure if it's protection is better than that offered by the Cataphractii.

 

I always thought of Cataphractii as being the Mk3 of terminator armor, with Tartaros as Mk4, and Indomitus as the golly gee M7 but in reality Mk2 armor.

[DuskRaider]

Rules wise Tartaros is the same as Indomnitus, although I remember a while back someone saying FW may make special rules for each TDA type.

[facmanpob]

I assume Tartaros, being suppossedly the most maneuverable of the three terminator armor types, will not have slow and purposeful.

That is correct, Tartaros doesn't get Slow and Purposeful, it just has the normal Relentless rule. I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago, a rumour that Tartaros was going to get the Fleet USR, to reflect the additional mobility, but that doesn't seem to have come to pass.

[GrandMagnus]

Well so far in Betrayal Tartaros counts as regular terminator armour (like the indominatus), and cataphractti recieve a benefit of 4+ invul. save, but its subject to "Slow and Purposeful". In essence they are slower but can take a load of damage.

[Brother Sanvael]

In Betrayal, Terminator armour can be exchanged for Cataphractii armour with, as you said, 2+/4++ and slow and puposeful.  There is no different ruleset (yet) for Tartaros.

 

Also the fluff has them all being developed concurrently from different Forgeworlds,, not so much a progression as different approaches to the same goal (Betrayal: pg 237) 

[jeremy1391]

I thought tartoros was 2+ 6+ and could sweeping advance...

[grand_master85]

I thought tartoros was 2+ 6+ and could sweeping advance...

 

I think that was either a rumour or someone wishlisting way back when...

 

Cataphractii is 2+, with a 4++ and Slow and Purposeful, whereas Tartaros is just bog standard terminator armour (2+, 5++ and Relentless)

[Noserenda]

Idve thought Night Lord Terminators would WANT to be loud, you cant hide Terminators, you may as well sound Scary as hell ;)

[Marshal Rohr]

Different rules for different suits would be great. Hopefully tartaros gets something special

[Balthamal]

I don't know I just prefer the look of the Tartaros better if I'm honest, think the Cataphractii is just to.....regal for what I'm planning

[GrandMagnus]

Well, the cataphractii are more brutal, they are very bulky compared to other TDA marks. The tartaros is more sleek and fast looking.

[Nusquam]

I can't find the rules on wargear in book 2, are they not there or am  I missing something?

[Moonstalker]

I can't find the rules on wargear in book 2, are they not there or am  I missing something?

 

They are in book one, page 237.  Cataphractii armor is 2+/4++ Bulky, Slow and Purposeful.  Tartaros, Indomitus, and Saturnine are lumped into the generic 2+/5++ Bulky, Relentless, may not make sweeping advances ruleset that we all know and love.

[Nusquam]

 

I can't find the rules on wargear in book 2, are they not there or am  I missing something?

 

They are in book one, page 237.  Cataphractii armor is 2+/4++ Bulky, Slow and Purposeful.  Tartaros, Indomitus, and Saturnine are lumped into the generic 2+/5++ Bulky, Relentless, may not make sweeping advances ruleset that we all know and love.

 

Aww sad, was hoping for more rules in book 2

[GhostMalone]

I was the one I'm pretty sure that wish listed for fleet :P

[LongGone]

On a slightly related note:

What do you guys think about playing the models during 40k games. As you've already mentioned, Tartaros is pretty analogous to Indomitus. I know I can play the models as counts as 'standard' TDA if need be, but I was wondering if any of you had experience playing 40k games with a few 30k models/weapons/rules. Do people seem pretty open to it? I guess one of my big concerns is the weapons. The combi-bolter/powerfist can easily pass muster for WYSIWYG in a 40k game with 40k rules, but do you foresee/have experience with some some of the other weapons options being accepted?

[Kais Klip]

Everything from Book 1, everything from Book 2, is just as balanced if not more against any codex as another current codex is, as long as the same FOC opportunities are given to the to the other player (goes without saying, you each play the same mission, you each use the same FOC).

 

This is 2013, bordering on '14, and FW is as balanced (I think its more balanced) than what is released in straight GW codex.

 

I mean look at the advent supplements, buddy, if that stuff is official....

 

At the end of the day, this is a game you play to have fun, right? Edit: meaning if your buddy doesn't feel up to facing against it, don't use it.

[Sanct]

 

 

I can't find the rules on wargear in book 2, are they not there or am  I missing something?

 

They are in book one, page 237.  Cataphractii armor is 2+/4++ Bulky, Slow and Purposeful.  Tartaros, Indomitus, and Saturnine are lumped into the generic 2+/5++ Bulky, Relentless, may not make sweeping advances ruleset that we all know and love.

 

Aww sad, was hoping for more rules in book 2

 

There was an experimental ruleset on the forgeworld website that made tarartos a terminator armour with 2+/6++ and allowed sweeping advance but it has since been removed. It's currently as kitwulfen said.

 

The EC phoenix terminators specifically say they have tartaros it so  will (probably) add rules for it at some point. (and it's GOT to give them sweeping advance - Phoenix's with sweeping advance would be sick!)

[depthcharge12]

I would say the 6++ for sweeping is a very fair trade, and brings tartaros into its own.

 

 

The 4++ on cataphractii is still pretty top notch if you ask me :) way better than indomitus

[Veteran Sergeant]

Idve thought Night Lord Terminators would WANT to be loud, you cant hide Terminators, you may as well sound Scary as hell

Yeah, it's hard to be terrifying when nobody knows you are coming.

[Dumah]

 

 

 

I can't find the rules on wargear in book 2, are they not there or am  I missing something?

 

They are in book one, page 237.  Cataphractii armor is 2+/4++ Bulky, Slow and Purposeful.  Tartaros, Indomitus, and Saturnine are lumped into the generic 2+/5++ Bulky, Relentless, may not make sweeping advances ruleset that we all know and love.

 

Aww sad, was hoping for more rules in book 2

 

There was an experimental ruleset on the forgeworld website that made tarartos a terminator armour with 2+/6++ and allowed sweeping advance but it has since been removed. It's currently as kitwulfen said.

 

The EC phoenix terminators specifically say they have tartaros it so  will (probably) add rules for it at some point. (and it's GOT to give them sweeping advance - Phoenix's with sweeping advance would be sick!)

 

This times 1000. Plus 1.

[spu00sed]

The problem is that tartaros becomes worse than artificer with a combat shield for survivability.  gaining only relentless

[Sanct]

The problem is that tartaros becomes worse than artificer with a combat shield for survivability.  gaining only relentless

 

If it ends up being 6++.  Phoenix's lose all shootiness and have an obscene unit penalty (something like 55 points) which is getting into justaerin level points.  

I can imagine it being like the legion weapon swaps at a price (a model with access to terminator armour as an option, may instead take tartaros for XXX points) 

[Marshal Rohr]

<p>Their badass halberds make up for a lot of the points cost. IIRC they dont lose an attack on the charge, and keep a low AP value even after the first round of combat.</p>

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<p>Edit, also, your not supposed to use a squad of Phoenix Terminators like Assault Terminators. They are spearhead/bodyguard units for use with the Legion Rite of War OR soak up firepower thrown at the Primarch.</p>