Daemon princes - Using them in the current codex.

[the jeske]

But if you don't give your DP the dark mace he will get tar pited . Challanges alone cost him 1 turn .

[Verythrax Draconis]

Is the DP forced to issue/take challenges? That isn't only for Chaos Champions?

[Sception]

Daemon princes are not independent characters, so they form their own unit. A character that is not attached to a unit may not decline challenges, as they haveno unit to cower behind, though of course other characters in the unit may still accept for them.

 

Not that it would help if they could. A chqracter thqt declines a challenge doesnt do anything in that round of cloae combat anyway, so even if you could decline, it would still be a wasted combat round.

 

Of course, even that's not that big a deal-you usually dont want to break the enemy on the turn you charge, anyway.

[Seahawk]

He's by himself, he has to accept any challenges. 

 

Last night I used him thusly:

 

- Daemon of Tzeentch

- The Black Mace

- Wings

- Power Armor

- Psyker 1

- Gift of Mutation

 

Took Tzeentch's Firestorm and got multiple gifts, resulting in Icy Aura, Warp Claws, Acane Occulum, and Cerebral Cogitator, with his warlord trait being Flames of Spite. He was ridiculous. He charges and gets his impact hit. He gets 8-12 attacks at I9 that splatter most dudes. He freezes them with ice, burns then with soulblaze, then shrivels them up with the mace. I did more rolling post-combat than during it!

[Verythrax Draconis]

I see, only challenges issued TO him, not by him :)

I've just used a DP once (we are on a small escalation league) and my opponent didn't had the guts (or opportunity) to challenge him.

[Hezirah]

He's by himself, he has to accept any challenges. 

 

Last night I used him thusly:

 

- Daemon of Tzeentch

- The Black Mace

- Wings

- Power Armor

- Psyker 1

- Gift of Mutation

 

Took Tzeentch's Firestorm and got multiple gifts, resulting in Icy Aura, Warp Claws, Acane Occulum, and Cerebral Cogitator, with his warlord trait being Flames of Spite. He was ridiculous. He charges and gets his impact hit. He gets 8-12 attacks at I9 that splatter most dudes. He freezes them with ice, burns then with soulblaze, then shrivels them up with the mace. I did more rolling post-combat than during it!

How did you get multiple gifts on Daemon prince with a gift of mutation?

[Kythnos]

He probably rolled the gift that gives multiple gifts ;-)

[Seahawk]

Bingo ;)

[Shuggnuggath]

The Daemon Prince doesn't have the (stupid) Champion of Chaos rule.

[the jeske]

they don't have to. solo characters can't refuse challanges. for him to not get tarpited you would need to charge him along side a unit with another character.

[nurglez]

Well, if there is only 1 enemy character that you have a good chance of pasting, its not a big deal. As mentioned you generally dont want to be out of combat during the enemy turn (and standing around alone looking a bit sheepish as the whole enemy army shoots you).

 

It's actually quite annoying that daemon princes dont have the champion of chaos special rule, as being a lone MC means you cant decline a challenge, and suitably kitted out you can kill most things in a challenge. First game I used a daemon prince we thought he could get boon rolls. He was a daemon of tzeentch and got a 2+ save, so could reroll it vs normal attacks. Evil :D

 

I can see that keeping a daemon prince cheap can be good, but T5 worries me. especially with tau removing cover or using marker lights to snap fire more accurately. Biomancy seems a given, to hope for iron arm or even life leech, while enfeeble is great both in and out of combat.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

So one of my more regular opponents, a tau play has decided to embrace the riptides.. I'm thinking a tzeentcian daemon prince with wings (as the bare bones one) or one with power armour and either burning brand or one or two paler levels may be able to help, using its speed to catch the riptide and hopefully get in combat quickly again before it gets shot up

[the jeske]

Skyfire everywhere will more or less kill a single DP in a single turn without much problem. Specialy considering your 1ksons armies,

[Godhead]

I run the Black Mace DP as an ally for my Daemons.  If I pick up the 4+ invul power he is basically unstoppable.  I also don't mind when I pick up the tzeentch power that lets you roll on the boon table.  As long as the grimoire roll goes off without a hitch, then I am free to start rolling.

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

That's what I was worried about, mind you I half expect him to blow me away by turn 3 or so due to our lack deployment options and tau, guards and elder fire power power

[UnsaviableLegion]

as mentioned a lot, Black mace, Power armour, Wings and Tzeench is a good combination. First time i unleashed that upon a nid player, I managed to take out two tervigons, two trigons, a Flyrant and a 10-man 'steeler squad with just him. He died to the doom after that though. 

[Rune Priest Ridcully]

I must admit I am a bit concerned about fielding a prince due to his sheer easyness to kill due to the lack of eternal warrior, and to have a good chance of getting the biomany powers to counter that you need to spend almost 300pts because of kelly's "marked chaos psykers must suck" rule.

[the jeske]

I agree for a normal chaos list one would just take the DP , some cultists as troops and ally in demons probably  a GD and a DP or run 2-3 helldrakes and something fast out of demons like herald+dogs . But you play 1ksons , they already cost too much so your lists will struggle even if you take just 1 FMC in your list . And against all the good lists a single FMC dies too fast.