Qarassen Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Brothers i need your guidance.. I dont play the game, just in it for the Lore (for now). My question is how much Lore are there in the 2 Forge World Horus Heresy books? And how much is gameplay related? They are quite expensive.. but just all the different pictures make me want to buy them ;P So what do you recommend for me as an lore guy? Buy or not to buy... And the lore in these books, is it new stuff that the HH series from BL haven´t told or the same? Death to the false Emperor! / Qarassen Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Betrayal is around 70% lore and 30% rules (just the back sections for playing the campaign, zone mortalis and the army list). No idea with Massacre! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Qarassen Posted September 20, 2013 Author Share Posted September 20, 2013 Im that kind of fan who needs to buy all the new hardback editions of the HH series just because even when i got them all in pocket... but if its 70 % lore.. then it sounds interesting! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Nope my memory was just crappy unfortunately :( It is more leaning towards rules now that I look at it, the death of Istvann III campaign is pretty long. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Sondar Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Betrayal has indepth background on Sons of Horus/Luna Wolves, Death Guard, World Eaters and Emperors Children. More than I have ever read anywhere else. The rules sections are still packed full of lore, detailing things like planetary conditions on Istvaan, the organisation of pre-heresy legions and there fighting styles. The rules for the Primarchs arn't bad either. I agree it's hugely expensive. I was initally thinking about not buying Massacre but the fluff is drawing me in. I will get it, it's just a case of when. I look on it using the following simple rules: Will I read it more than once? How often will I refer to it? Will it entertain me? If you think about dividing up the number of times you read it, 70 times equals £1 a read, it seems more resonable. If you'll only read it once then £70 is a lot of money, try and borrow a copy. I closing I will say I love my copy. The quality of the binding is excellent, the pages are thick and of good quality and the illustrations are pretty . It's all about will you get the use out of it, in terms of time spent with your investment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lokkorex Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Lord Sondar: well, that does it, i HAVE to get it now! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Yea, if you are a fluff hound all the FW IA books and the newer Heresy books are a must buy. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 My question is how much Lore are there in the 2 Forge World Horus Heresy books? And how much is gameplay related?Well, I looked at this the other day as I was contemplating purchases, and the book has the following contents (roughly): 13 pages introduction to the Age of the Emperor (Great Crusade etc) 9-10 pages on the Legions and their role in the Crusade, including a pictorial breakdown of the ORBAT of a "standard" Legion 26 pages on Isstvan III (the Battle etc) 77 pages on the specific Legions: - 19 pages on the Sons of Horus - 17 pages on the World Eaters - 19 pages on the Emperor's Children - 17 pages on the Death Guard - 5 pages on the Legio Mortis 24 pages on the Death of Isstvan III campaign 15 pages on the Zone Mortalis extension to the campaign 90 pages of army lists, rules, wargear etc 10 pages of Apocalypse and special rules summaries Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Looks like an almost 50/50 split of lore to rules pages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
facmanpob Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Looks like an almost 50/50 split of lore to rules pages.Aye! Looking ahead to Book 2, however, if the 90 pages or so of army lists aren't in there, and the book is roughly the same size as Book 1, that's an extra-huge dollop of fluff ice cream topped with awesome sauce that'll be coming everyone's way! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469251 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Dude you know you want the book, just get it lol The fluff is outstanding and makes codexes look like GW gave a crayon to someone to scribble their childhood drivels on it. Betrayal is the grown man's fluff and seems almost a throwback to John Blanche's original art in its writing style. The legions are expounded upon in great detail and are quite amazing, especially the parts with the legion disposition sections. Some stories about the legions are deliciously controversial, and there are quite a few parts where you can see the Emperor's hand at work to try and clean up the back stories about the primarchs, but shady rumors and apocryphal stories point otherwise despite censure. When making trips to my throne I sometimes bring it with to read as some subtle motifs pop up where unnoticed before. Definitely worth every penny, I gauantee you. This is the fluff you really wanted and need. I promise there are no mary sues either, just things at the intersection of grim and dark. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469525 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Blaire Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Ooh, I hate you describing it like that, depthcharge... Now I'm wondering how the heck to get a hold of them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The fluff stretches as far back as what part of Terra their original marines came from, that's how far it goes, truly awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 The fluff stretches as far back as what part of Terra their original marines came from, that's how far it goes, truly awesome. Indubitably. You want to play a Dusk Raider force? No problem Wonder about the effectiveness of the War Hounds and their role? Yup, its there too, in the form of 3 million dead convicts and some Thunder Warriors.... Want to know the parts of the MkII crusade armor and its weapon designations...well too bad its not there....JUST KIDDING IT HAS THIS STUFF TOO!!! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noserenda Posted September 20, 2013 Share Posted September 20, 2013 Definitely buy the FW books for fluff, its the best bit of the book and they blow the other GW departments out of the water! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280591-forge-world-hh-betrayal-massacre/#findComment-3469749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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