WarriorFish Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 A good point, no matter how useful he may be the relative cost should give you pause. Might be worth a try for a laugh, you never know! After discovering that the Hunter's savant missiles actually have servitor brains in to guide them I've decided that it's definitely going to be my first choice AA tank. How could you not after learning this? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3487921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deus de Mortalis Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 Where does it say that the missiles have servitor brains inside of them? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The other thing to remember about Savant lock is it targets the rear armor with the subsequent rolls for the missiles. Most of the AV 12 flyers have armor 10 on the back meaning your odds of penning go up even higher. (Of course the storm raven is the exception here but hey) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The beauty of the Storm Raven is it's expensive and takes up a Heavy Slot, so it does put pressure on an army that uses one. So we can forgive, perhaps, the ludicrous rear armour 12! Other flyers are just going to hate Hunters. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 The beauty of the Storm Raven is it's expensive and takes up a Heavy Slot, so it does put pressure on an army that uses one. So we can forgive, perhaps, the ludicrous rear armour 12! Other flyers are just going to hate Hunters. You forgot to mention the fact that it ignores the bonus from the Melta rule. I'd mention the Talon here as well but it's only armor 11, they could cough at it and probably glance it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 I think the Savant Lock is the better special rule but I see value in servo tracking if you're aiming at damaged AV10. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montuhotep Posted October 7, 2013 Author Share Posted October 7, 2013 Where does it say that the missiles have servitor brains inside of them? It's as part of the vehicles 'fluff' on the Bestiary page (for want of a better description). Just a little tidbit that's quite amusing.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3488529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Dragons 3rd Company Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It depends on the enemy. Against Heldrake I want one, but against say Venom-spam, I want the other. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3489885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It depends on the enemy. Against Heldrake I want one, but against say Venom-spam, I want the other. That's why one of each is how I'm planning to run. Bring a Storm"Blank" to support them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3489923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It is tempting to get one of each. No. No. I won't let Minigun change my army that's been carefully planned out! Damn but this new Codex is full of options! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Glorious isn't it? I think I'm pretty lucky in that my games haven't descended into the Battle of Britain so I'll never need both AA tanks to provide what I need. One would be fine if you didn't come up against valid targets but two would make me feel like I wasted opportunities. Though for the cost it's not a crippling investment at least. For those taking two, what sort of lists are you commonly up against? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490045 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Chronus is best in a Predator with an Auto Cannon and Las sponsons. Or a Vindicator or Landraider to avoid those pesky crew stunned/shaken results.... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490095 Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Jairo Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 I also take both ATM with ADL QG. My list is tiggy with a lot of different shooting options. So I want to be flexible with Tiggy boosting according to my needs. Last night the Hunter proved very valuable vs Tau: he got penetrating hits vs hammerheads and they failed cover saves consistently. He also brought a squad of 3 Piranhas so I was happy I also had the stalker. It didn't need to take action because of so bad saving throws vs the QG. I'm really curious how a stalker would fare vs venom spam with vector tracking and prescience. Sadly I also am the only DE player at my LGS. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Dragons 3rd Company Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 The nice thing about the Stalker is that it is not bad against a lot of things; it's not limited to AA. The Hunter can also shoot skimmers though few of them have the armor to really need armorbane. On the other hand, a skimmer doesn't fly off the table causing you to lose lock. I'll be honest though, I don't play many flyers right now either. My schedule won't let me play on 40K night at my LGS so mostly I'm playing with a couple friends. One plays mostly the new dex IF drop pods. The other tends to play GK, Sisters, or IG. They might bring a flyer but none of us are inclined to spam anything. Last game I got to play was against the drop pods and I ended up killing the 'Talon with a terminator assault after it went into skimmer mode. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Doesn't the savant lock only work on flyers? Anyone bringing a Stormtalon into skimmer mode had best be doing so with good reasons because it isn't going to last long! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Dragons 3rd Company Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It may only savant lock on flyers actually. I'll look that up when I get home. He was desperate. It was T5 and I had the Relic while he did not have many shots at me. He had to try try to kill me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490362 Share on other sites More sharing options...
minigun762 Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Glorious isn't it? I think I'm pretty lucky in that my games haven't descended into the Battle of Britain so I'll never need both AA tanks to provide what I need. One would be fine if you didn't come up against valid targets but two would make me feel like I wasted opportunities. Though for the cost it's not a crippling investment at least. For those taking two, what sort of lists are you commonly up against? I think one thing that is easy to forgot is that they're not just effective against flyers. They are also a solid counter to FMCs and Skimmers. How many armies are there out there that don't include a flyer, FMC or skimmer? Not many really. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Dragons 3rd Company Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 It may only savant lock on flyers actually. I'll look that up when I get home. He was desperate. It was T5 and I had the Relic while he did not have many shots at me. He had to try try to kill me. I checked; you are correct. It only locks on FMC and flyers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3490651 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Glorious isn't it? I think I'm pretty lucky in that my games haven't descended into the Battle of Britain so I'll never need both AA tanks to provide what I need. One would be fine if you didn't come up against valid targets but two would make me feel like I wasted opportunities. Though for the cost it's not a crippling investment at least. For those taking two, what sort of lists are you commonly up against? I think one thing that is easy to forgot is that they're not just effective against flyers.They are also a solid counter to FMCs and Skimmers. How many armies are there out there that don't include a flyer, FMC or skimmer? Not many really. I know, that's what I meant by valid targets. Unfortunately for me those armies are the ones I play most For some reason my gaming circle just never really bothered that much with skimmers apart from myself so I'll only really encounter them against the Eldar. I'm still going to try out the Hunter though :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3491152 Share on other sites More sharing options...
legoss Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I've built two lists so far, they're identical except one has a hunter the other a stalker. With my local gaming group, I haven't had a chance to run the hunter yet, but the stalker is worth it's weight in gold against daemon flying circus. It's also been pretty useful as light anti armor, twice now it's killed my friend's predator tanks, both. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3492594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Yes, the kit box builds both versions, and the instructions are great! Plus you get all the pieces and parts where you could use it as a Rhino w/ extra armor as needed. Great kit. Built it, painting in progress, have not used it in a game yet! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/280694-hunter-or-stalker/page/2/#findComment-3492601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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