Rank the primarch homeworlds from least to most pleasant

[Reinholt]

Here is what I come up with after tinkering with the list. All of these rankings are based on when the primarchs arrived, not when they were done. (For instance, all of the traitor primarch worlds were obliterated after the fact, so... not so great, and several of the non-traitor ones were dramatically improved, such as Nocturne)

 

Tier 0 (The one that sucks the most)

Barbarus

 

Tier 1 (Very, very bad)

Baal
Fenris
Caliban
Nocturne
Nuceria (if you are a slave)

 

Tier 2 (unpleasant worlds)

Medusa
Cthonia
Nostramo
Deliverance
Chogoris
Chemos
Inwit

 

Tier 3 (life's...not bad)

Macragge
Olympia
Prospero (in the city, don't go outside)
Colchis

[GhostMalone]

Best world prospero they know what you want to order before you know

[b1soul]

Half of Inwit was in perpetual darkness I believe and it was cold than Fenris on the dark side since it was give you frost bite even through heavy furs. It also had death world level creatures living there to.

 

 

This is the info I have:

"Dorn lived amongst the ice-tribes who called Inwit home and considered

one of the chieftains of these tribes to be his adoptive grandfather and

chief childhood mentor. The world's population was said to inhabit

massive ice-hives and its actual level of technological advancement

remains unclear. The people of Inwit were known to have divided

themselves into different tribes and clans and to have a caste system in

place known as ice-castes."

 

If it's accurate, Inwit doesn't sound like a deathworld. It's an ice world, but the natives seem to have adapted pretty adequately the cold environment

 

 

 

Read Savage Weapons by AD-B if you haven't.

 

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Chemos

was a world with radiation storms where food was rationed and dwindling

constantly and you had to get permission to procreate. Angel Exterminatus

 

Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels do a poor job of presenting Caliban as a deathworld. I suppose either ADB just has a firmer grasp of how dangerous a deathworld is and/or the two DA HH novels are set when the warp beasts have been hunted to near extinction

 

At worst, Chemos is tier 2. I don't see it being ranked as Tier 1. It's not as bad as a deathworld

[Kasper_Hawser]

Regarding Fenris, there is no way that it can be a Tier 2 world (Unpleasant). It is a complete Death World which not even the Space Wolves managed (or for that matter bothered) to tame.

 

It has only one permanent continent which is mainly described as an island amidst a sea of turbulence. Only a small portion of the planet's population actually live on the continent and THAT continent is infested with the following:

 

Mastodons (wooly mammoths)

Bears big enough to take on Mastodons.

Wolves at least the size of horses, dominated by the massive Thunderwolf which is large enough for a Space Marine to ride.

Trolls capable of levelling villages on their own

Shapeshifters that hunt from the dark

Other assortment of creatures of the dark from Viking mythology.

 

The rest of the planet is covered with oceans with sporadic islands that change every fenrisian year. And the oceans are infested with:

 

Kraken, massive tentacled monsters which can grow to as large as a small island.

Sea Serpents

Massive Whales big enough to eat afore mentioned krakens.

 

Most of the planet population lives on the ocean islands. These tribes have to fight for every inch of land to make their homes, because every fenrisian year, the whole planet except the main continent, shifts its entire tectonic plate, drowning all the old islands and creating new ones. In that period the people have to live in their boats and start fighting each other again for resources as their food supplies dwindles and they strive to find land to settle.

 

This never changed even after Russ became king of the continent and after the Emperor discovered him. And it has remained that way for 10,000 years, providing the Wolves with a supply of recruits who are trained to kill the moment they are born.

 

Only Russ would ever call his world "unpleasant", as opposed to completely inhospitable Death World.

 

For me, I will rate Tier 1 planets as those who remain barbaric even after the primarch's discovery. Either that, or the planet is constantly trying to kill you every moment of every day)

 

Tier 1

Baal (still inhospitable with monsters, recruits go through trials to reach Blood Angels)

Fenris (nuff said)

Nocturne (even after the seven sancturaries are established, still infested with Salamanders and volcanos which torment the citizens)

Medusa (Ferrus still left the planet population of warring tribes alone)

Chogoris (Like Medusa, planetary population still living in violent feudal civilisation)

 

Tier 2

Caliban (I actually thought the Lion already wiped out most of hte world's beasts before coming of the Emperor, although someone mentioned that even then, the planet still has some unpleasant wildlife to test the recruits.

Nuceria (Techno feudal and oppressive world, no doubt very unpleasant for average person)

Nostramo (As mentioned, mafia gang ruled oppressive world)

Prospero (mind eating monsters outside city walls?)

Cthonia (Is it still gang dominated after Horus discovery?)

 

Tier 3

All of the rest I believe, are farily civilised worlds even if they are not advanced. Colchis and Olympia sounds feudal but not particularly violent. Macragge is comparable to Roman Empire that is occasionally besieged by barbarians, before Guilliman befriended them. Inwit, Chemos and Deliverance were already ruled by their primarchs and became productive and relatively prosperous hive worlds.

[Barabbas Sogalon]

You forgot Barbarus

[b1soul]

Chogoris

Caliban

Nostramo (As mentioned, mafia gang ruled oppressive world)

Cthonia (Is it still gang dominated after Horus discovery?)

 

I don't see how Chogoris is more unpleasant than Nostramo, Caliban, and Cthonia

[facmanpob]

Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels do a poor job of presenting Caliban as a deathworld. I suppose either ADB just has a firmer grasp of how dangerous a deathworld is and/or the two DA HH novels are set when the warp beasts have been hunted to near extinction

The prologue in Descent of Angels is actually quite good at getting across Caliban's true nature, and describes the forests as being filled with all sorts of poisonous flora and predatory animals, with the Great Beasts of Caliban being in addition to the normal run of the mill hideousness!

But yes, the two HH novels are set at the end of the Lion's great campaign to eradicate the beasts. again this is specified in the prologue

[jeremy1391]

I think you would have to break it down into classifications of world

 

Planets that try to kill you

Caliban

Nocturne

Barbarus

Baal

Fenris

 

 

Corrupt worlds

Deliverance

Nostramo

Nuceria

 

Worlds in decline

Cthonia

Medusa

Chemos

Prospero

 

Feudal worlds

Chogoris

Colchis

Olympia

 

Nice worlds

Maccrage

 

Ice world

Inwit

 

And alpharius's fleet

 

So saying which world is worst would probably fall to one of the death worlds, I'd say Baal.

[Emperor's Furor]

I'd say Inwit is a death world, it has beasts as well as the massively sub zero temperature. Not much is known about the hives and how Dorn was brought up yet.

[Kasper_Hawser]

 

Chogoris

Caliban

Nostramo (As mentioned, mafia gang ruled oppressive world)

Cthonia (Is it still gang dominated after Horus discovery?)

 

I don't see how Chogoris is more unpleasant than Nostramo, Caliban, and Cthonia

 

Well, Chogoris is still a feudal world with most of the population in tribal warfare with each other, with no other central government except for the White Scars, who like the Space Wolves, simply let the barbarian system be to weed out the weak and select the strong for recruitment. Granted it has no particular monsters infesting it but still, day to day life is a constant struggle and it has no modern tech so to speak.

 

Nostramo as mentioned is still a hive city civilisation but extremely unpleasant to live in. That being said also no monsters other than men.

 

Yeah I forgot Barbarus. Not sure what happened after Emperor's coming though, did Mortarion modernise the place?

[Scribe]

"No other monsters than men."

 

How sad it is, that that doesnt horrify us to our core.

 

A 'primitive' life style can still be very enjoyable. Its not as if our ancestors where eating eachother (which Nostramian folks do) or that our kids where killing eachother for the fun of feeding us to Crows (again...which Nostramians do).

 

I think its an interesting commentary on how some view less civilized peoples, but the supposed normalcy of Nostramo is exactly why its horrible.

[Kasper_Hawser]

"No other monsters than men."

 

How sad it is, that that doesnt horrify us to our core.

 

A 'primitive' life style can still be very enjoyable. Its not as if our ancestors where eating eachother (which Nostramian folks do) or that our kids where killing eachother for the fun of feeding us to Crows (again...which Nostramians do).

 

I think its an interesting commentary on how some view less civilized peoples, but the supposed normalcy of Nostramo is exactly why its horrible.

 

You do have a valid point. I guess we all have different standards of measuring how inhospitable the primarch's homeworlds can be.

 

For me like I said, I tried to follow the criteria of the planet remaining primitive and death dealing on a daily basis even after Primarch's discovery by Emperor. That's why my initial lists, Baal, Fenris, Medusa, and Nocturne in my initial list. Though I think Nocturne should be Tier 2 as I recall the Salamanders establisighing the large seven Sanctuary cities to make life more bearable.

 

On the other hand, there are so called civilised worlds like Nostramo and maybe Nuceria who are technically civilised yet completely corrupt in the moral sense. In such a situation, it could be classified as just as deadly as Fenris with its horse sized wolves and kraken.

 

No other monsters other than men.... yep I really need to eat my words. The worst monsters in the 40K universe do wear the skin of men.

 

I guess based on the exceptional case of Nostramo, I would upgrade it to Tier 1, and downgrade both Chogoris and Nocturne to Tier 2. Maybe even Nuceria but I don't know exactly how much of the population are enslaved to become gladiators. If something like 50% of the population are slave gladiators, then definitely would bump it to Tier 1.

 

That being said, I still believe Baal and Fenris take the cake in terms of giant monsters making a daily diet out of the local humans, and vice versa.

[Ozeryk_Sleipnijr]

Considering the nature of Leman Russ, Fenris turned out to be a pretty cool home for him. To this "day" the SW really like being on Fenris. I would say the same for the Salamanders & their home planet. This is another matter when it comes to Curze and Nostramo however.

[godking]

 

"No other monsters than men."

 

How sad it is, that that doesnt horrify us to our core.

 

A 'primitive' life style can still be very enjoyable. Its not as if our ancestors where eating eachother (which Nostramian folks do) or that our kids where killing eachother for the fun of feeding us to Crows (again...which Nostramians do).

 

I think its an interesting commentary on how some view less civilized peoples, but the supposed normalcy of Nostramo is exactly why its horrible.

 

You do have a valid point. I guess we all have different standards of measuring how inhospitable the primarch's homeworlds can be.

 

For me like I said, I tried to follow the criteria of the planet remaining primitive and death dealing on a daily basis even after Primarch's discovery by Emperor. That's why my initial lists, Baal, Fenris, Medusa, and Nocturne in my initial list. Though I think Nocturne should be Tier 2 as I recall the Salamanders establisighing the large seven Sanctuary cities to make life more bearable.

 

On the other hand, there are so called civilised worlds like Nostramo and maybe Nuceria who are technically civilised yet completely corrupt in the moral sense. In such a situation, it could be classified as just as deadly as Fenris with its horse sized wolves and kraken.

 

No other monsters other than men.... yep I really need to eat my words. The worst monsters in the 40K universe do wear the skin of men.

 

I guess based on the exceptional case of Nostramo, I would upgrade it to Tier 1, and downgrade both Chogoris and Nocturne to Tier 2. Maybe even Nuceria but I don't know exactly how much of the population are enslaved to become gladiators. If something like 50% of the population are slave gladiators, then definitely would bump it to Tier 1.

 

That being said, I still believe Baal and Fenris take the cake in terms of giant monsters making a daily diet out of the local humans, and vice versa.

Nostromo is a special case in that is is corrupt but depending on where you live on Nostromo you could still live a ''normal'' life. Talos and Xarl  where able to go to school and even while being in a gang lived a somewhat ''normal'' life. But as Talos said where he and Xarl lived was one of the more ''civilized'' portions of Nostromo.

[Emperor's Furor]

 

Half of Inwit was in perpetual darkness I believe and it was cold than Fenris on the dark side since it was give you frost bite even through heavy furs. It also had death world level creatures living there to.

 

 

This is the info I have:

"Dorn lived amongst the ice-tribes who called Inwit home and considered

one of the chieftains of these tribes to be his adoptive grandfather and

chief childhood mentor. The world's population was said to inhabit

massive ice-hives and its actual level of technological advancement

remains unclear. The people of Inwit were known to have divided

themselves into different tribes and clans and to have a caste system in

place known as ice-castes."

 

If it's accurate, Inwit doesn't sound like a deathworld. It's an ice world, but the natives seem to have adapted pretty adequately the cold environment

 

 

 

>Read Savage Weapons by AD-B if you haven't.

 

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Chemos

was a world with radiation storms where food was rationed and dwindling

constantly and you had to get permission to procreate. Angel Exterminatus

 

Descent of Angels and Fallen Angels do a poor job of presenting Caliban as a deathworld. I suppose either ADB just has a firmer grasp of how dangerous a deathworld is and/or the two DA HH novels are set when the warp beasts have been hunted to near extinction

 

At worst, Chemos is tier 2. I don't see it being ranked as Tier 1. It's not as bad as a deathworld

 

 

Well in Crimson Fist it shows how truly dangerous it is outside of the hives on Inwit, especially on the dark side of the planet.

[Urauloth]

I don't know what you're talking about, Fenris sounds like an amazing place to live. It's cold, the winters are long, the scenery is spectacular and I'll take dying in a ferocious longship battle or being eaten by a giant monster wolf over half the stuff that goes on on most of these other places.

[GhostMalone]

Best planet is simply terra technically all the primarchs were born there!!

 

Just blew everyone's mind didn't I ;)

[Frosco Toppings]

Best planet is simply terra technically all the primarchs were born there!!

Just blew everyone's mind didn't I

Yeah if you happen to live in the Imperial palace continent bit. The rest of it is one giant pollution-ridden hive