GrandMagnus Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Greetings brothers, My question is about the breacher squads. I really like the idea of adding breachers to my Ultramarine army, I think the giant shield resembles the idea of the roman legions tortoise formation, but Im not a huge fan of them having bolters. I have been looking over and over HH: betrayal for some way to give them CCW and this is where I need your aid. Can any of you think of a way to arm them with CCW and still follow the rules? Or do you think there might be some kind of squad like this coming up for the XIIIth when they appear in a book? Thank you for your attention. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Give them the close combat weapons and holsters, bolt pistols simply count as CCW in combat and you can't get an additional attack with the shield anyway, so it really doesn't matter. For bolters use some green stuff maybe, make some straps and have them slung over their backs? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy1391 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 ^what he said Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hisdudeness Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 OOOOOOR... You could make a modified bolter/pike thing the custodes use. Instead of the power blade, use chain blades. It will visually match what they are armed with and will give them the Roman vibe you are looking for. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrannicide Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 That's option A. The pricier option B is making them an elite formation. Command Squad armed with combat shields, if you don't mind missing out on the boarding rules. Maybe we'll get lucky and FW will develop a special unit for the XIII that utilizes boarding shields, reminiscent of the Evocati in Betrayer. What irritates me is that a Breacher squad is 10 men minimum. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 OOOOOOR... You could make a modified bolter/pike thing the custodes use. Instead of the power blade, use chain blades. It will visually match what they are armed with and will give them the Roman vibe you are looking for. Yeah I converted a Salamander using this idea. Though the overall look may make them less like Roman soldiers and a bit cumbersome. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1237/u0vi.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus-Alaska Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 OOOOOOR... You could make a modified bolter/pike thing the custodes use. Instead of the power blade, use chain blades. It will visually match what they are armed with and will give them the Roman vibe you are looking for. Yeah I converted a Salamander using this idea. Though the overall look may make them less like Roman soldiers and a bit cumbersome. http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1237/u0vi.jpg I want that model! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nym468 Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Check out page five and later of my build log, I've got a whole squad with breaches shields amd pikes with bolters attached. The pikes are from Shapeways, the 3D printing website. http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7097/7364313808_56742e804e_b.jpg Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476634 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedpath Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 As said above, considering the Evocati on Amatura, there´s absolutely no reason why you shouldn´t include some Breacher Marines in your Ultramarine list. The option with the Boltguns on straps seems to be the one I´d prefer, because boltguns AND CCW makes them, at least in my head something special. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 OOOOOOR... You could make a modified bolter/pike thing the custodes use. Instead of the power blade, use chain blades. It will visually match what they are armed with and will give them the Roman vibe you are looking for. Yeah I converted a Salamander using this idea. Though the overall look may make them less like Roman soldiers and a bit cumbersome. I want that model! It went through several stages, the WIP thread for doing it can be found here. If you want to check it out. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Ehh just do what I did arm them with cc weapons and just count as having bolters Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vazzy Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 I like how they look with bolters.... Seems like the 40k version of the pilum(or whatever the spears were. I'm positive its pilum though) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3476992 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 Thanks for the lot of great advice. I think the idea of the bolters in straps is the one Im most in favour of currently, the spear idea might be a bit above my modelling skill. I will check out some tutorials though, see what I can come up with. Also, rereading the rules in HH: Betrayal, doesnt it say I can make a veteran squad into a breacher squad? In that case I should be able to exchange their weapons if Im not mistaken? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3477146 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedpath Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Erm... nope... you cann give everyone of them a power weapon and/ or a volkite serpenta... but unfortunately no boarding shield...they have some verteran skills to choose out of... but no boarding shields, sry^^ Edit:Ahh there we go... you´re meaning the "veteran upgrade" phrase in the special rules of the LBS, don´t you?In the faq it is written that you can remove the line because it´s a leftover of the testphase ;-) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3477206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 If you feel spears are too much work, swords and axes behind boarding shields look rather good - after all the Hastati and even Praetorian Guard used sword/shield to great effect, there were a number among them who went for axes but it tended to only be among the Praetorians due to their extra freedom with equipment. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3477364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 27, 2013 Author Share Posted September 27, 2013 Erm... nope... you cann give everyone of them a power weapon and/ or a volkite serpenta... but unfortunately no boarding shield...they have some verteran skills to choose out of... but no boarding shields, sry^^ Edit: Ahh there we go... you´re meaning the "veteran upgrade" phrase in the special rules of the LBS, don´t you? In the faq it is written that you can remove the line because it´s a leftover of the testphase ;-) Yeap thats what I meant. Damn... Well, I might go for giving them chainswords and bolters with slings over the shoulder. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3477422 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warpedpath Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Chainswords... hmmm just for optic reasons I´d use powerswords I think... but this whole thread reminds me of something... where the frag are my scratchbuild boarding shields... hm... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3478276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Well, sure, the whole squad with gladiuses would look good but just for the sci-fi effect the chainswords would be better and that way they wont be confused with actual power weapons. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3478368 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 could use the chainaxes of the Circle of Ashes on one or two for some interesting combinations - and the shorter bladed chainswords from the CSM kits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3478389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 Im thinking more the MK II chainswords, they look really brutal. Axes... well maybe. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3478423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grotsmasha Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Im fairly sure HH: Massacre will address this. But just model then, counts-as combat shield until an official unit comes out. Cheers, Jono Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3479112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 The space wolves double bladed chainsword has a good chain Claudius feel when removed from the wolfy parts Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3479130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Grotsmasha: Model them count-as combat shield? But they already have breacher shields?... Im confused. Marshal: Sure, the space wolf chainswords are good, I have a few of them. But I think the chainswords from the MK II assault kit might be better, they have a les wolfy feel and I think they are shorter. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3479202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Brother 92 Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 Grotsmasha: Model them count-as combat shield? But they already have breacher shields?... Im confused. Marshal: Sure, the space wolf chainswords are good, I have a few of them. But I think the chainswords from the MK II assault kit might be better, they have a les wolfy feel and I think they are shorter. I think Grotsmasha's meaning if you use them as either a Vet Tac Squad or a Command Squad, plus this way it gives you more playability for your time/money spent :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3479316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrandMagnus Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 Grotsmasha: Model them count-as combat shield? But they already have breacher shields?... Im confused. Marshal: Sure, the space wolf chainswords are good, I have a few of them. But I think the chainswords from the MK II assault kit might be better, they have a les wolfy feel and I think they are shorter. I think Grotsmasha's meaning if you use them as either a Vet Tac Squad or a Command Squad, plus this way it gives you more playability for your time/money spent Ah understood. Hmmm, sure it would be an expensive unit, but the amount of detail options would be great. I actually like that idea better. A tac. vet. squad with shields and CCW could be a great bodyguard for a Praetor. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281004-breachers-in-the-ultramarines/#findComment-3479460 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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