Gree Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Still no. Time Lords regenerate with each regeneration being basically a new person who retains all of the previous memories. Vulkan is more like Vandal Savage, that one guy from Star Trek the Original series, Highlander, Ramirez and the Kurgan. Effectively immortal and virtually able to survive death. Although Vulkan can survive being gutted with a forkhaving his head removed. You really don't get it do you? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Still no. Time Lords regenerate with each regeneration being basically a new person who retains all of the previous memories. Vulkan is more like Vandal Savage, that one guy from Star Trek the Original series, Highlander, Ramirez and the Kurgan. Effectively immortal and virtually able to survive death. Although Vulkan can survive being gutted with a forkhaving his head removed. You really don't get it do you? No, I do. But saying Vulkan is immortal in the same way a Time Lord is immortal is like saying an apple is an orange just because they're fruits. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gree Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Still no. Time Lords regenerate with each regeneration being basically a new person who retains all of the previous memories. Vulkan is more like Vandal Savage, that one guy from Star Trek the Original series, Highlander, Ramirez and the Kurgan. Effectively immortal and virtually able to survive death. Although Vulkan can survive being gutted with a forkhaving his head removed. You really don't get it do you? No, I do. But saying Vulkan is immortal in the same way a Time Lord is immortal is like saying an apple is an orange just because they're fruits. *sighs* it was never meant to be an exact comparison in the first place. It was a reference to a TV Tropes joke. But the joke's ruined thanks to you. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 C'est la vie? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Doesn't Gates of Terra have Dorn using Librarians to run battle sims on an Ultramarine? (Wow...that reads very strangely) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Possibly. As each Primarchs fights(or learns about) the daemons of the warp, each one is making the decision that the Edict is wrong. And considering the Emperor was A-okay with an RG Librarian using his powers to open a vault door to the very place He used to design the Primarchs, it seems like that as long as they don't go a la "He Who Burned Down the Gate", the Emperor understands and supports the decision. Heck, even Malcador the Sigillite is it okay with the Edict going out the window. The only people who were ready to fight the Heresy were the Traitors. Besides, the way I see it, part of 30K's grimdark comes from the sheer hypocrisy of all the Protagonists. It's just a matter of finding them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 On the issue of Salamanders.. Is Numeon mentioned at all? The guys from Vulkan Lives? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482281 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Hopkins, whatever other info and details you can provide are welcome =) How are Curze's fighting skills depicted? In that last part, when he attacks Vulkan, Grammaticus and Damon, does he really kick all of the three's arses? His combat pragmatism sounds awesome. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3482907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 ridiculous plot armour sums up curze's skills and ability quite well to be honest Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Haha. I read in another forum about a supposedly hilarious scene in which the Lion comes to Guilliman's palace with Space Wolves in his entourage and grumbles about it like an old man. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 yeah, that's a cool scene, and is followed by that champion's challenge thing there's some really good quips and one-liners dotted throughout the story, it's really cinematic Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Loved this. From tg Guilliman sighed.‘Bastard. Always showing off,’ he murmured.He looked at his aides, nodded, and began to walk down the steps to meet his brother. The Wolves followed him. Guilliman stopped and looked back up the steps.‘Really? Right now, of all times?’ Guilliman asked Faffnr.‘My watch-pack walks where you walk, jarl,’ said Faffnr.‘Even my own Cataphractii aren’t following me at this moment, Wolf.’‘We could, lord,’ Gorod growled from the platform. ‘Indeed, we could also hose the unwanted off the steps in an unbelievable storm of shot, if you so desired.’‘Enough,’ Guilliman said. He looked at Faffnr and the Wolves.‘You see how I spare your lives?’‘No one spares our lives, jarl,’ Faffnr replied. ‘They’re not for sparing. Never have been.’Guilliman hesitated, painfully aware that he was halfway down a staircase, in front of a million and a half people, pausing to converse with a band of barbarians while his noble brother waited below.‘I appeal to your honesty, Faffnr Bludbroder,’ he said. ‘This moment isn’t about me, is it? It’s about you, and the Angels, and the feud.’Faffnr paused.‘It is,’ he replied, nodding. His men, hunched and ugly, nodded too.Guilliman sighed. ‘Let’s do it then. But do not embarrass me or I’ll gut you all myself.’He turned and resumed his walk down the steps from the platform. He was aware of the Wolves closing in behind him as a ragged and unseemly bodyguard.‘By the void,’ Guilliman hissed at them. ‘You know you’re making me look like an idiot! Like a heathen king of Illyrium!’‘Sorry and all that, jarl. Honour demands it,’ Faffnr replied, a hot-breath whisper at Guilliman’s shoulder.‘You’re a pain in the arse, you know that?’ Guilliman said.‘Indisputably,’ Faffnr returned. This is the longest I'll post, I just thought it was awesome. I'll describe any other scenes I can find, for those unwilling to follow the link http://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/27531625/ Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Guilliman kind of sounds like male genitalia, y'know? Rather wonky for an Abnett book. Can someone with the book confirm that is in there, because that reads like /tg/ authored it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Why, because of the 'pain in the arse' line? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verity Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Is anyone willing to explain to me what the whole earth thing was about, with regards to Vulkan? It kept getting brought up in Vulkan Lives I think, and then there's that other quote over on /tg/ about interring "him in the clean soil of his home world". Is this going to be some weird thing where he gets buried once it's all over and done with, and then resurrects to go fulfill whatever fate it was only he can fulfill that Eldrad was forseeing, or something...? Also, my bad if it's already been mentioned and I missed it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 On Vulkan.. I don't want to know how it happened but is hetruly dead or there's load of indications he'll revive again? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 on vulkan he appears to be dead his brothers think he's dead the salamander standing guard by the casket thinks he hears a single heartbeat, but puts it down to his imagination if the cabal plan was for curze to kill him properly with the fulgrite, then eldrad's plan must have been to counter that i'm sure it will all resolve itself in a future book (just as planned) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 "Alright, follow me then." Guilliman states. "You're following me!? I look like an idiot!" Guilliman hissed. Hissed. And then there's the hot-breath whisper at the shoulder. Those, and the arse comment, sound like classical /tg/ derpin', y'know? Are they still on the whole we hate Wolves and Ultras bandwagon? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daddywarcrimes Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Saturday can't come soon enough, Between this and Scars drawing to a close, it's a busy time for reading. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 "Alright, follow me then." Guilliman states. "You're following me!? I look like an idiot!" Guilliman hissed. Hissed. And then there's the hot-breath whisper at the shoulder. Those, and the arse comment, sound like classical /tg/ derpin', y'know? Are they still on the whole we hate Wolves and Ultras bandwagon? Honestly, if it does read like what we saw in this thread, its Abnett's apology for Prospero Burns to the community that now despises anything Space Wolf. Yes. I'll go there. EDIT: I mean really, I would pay for them to drop this executioners/spy/brothers keeper crap right now. Its just painful. Does ANYONE want to see the SW doing this? Is this appreciated at all as a narrative hook? Or, like we saw in Fear to Tread, would we rather they just get killed off? That cant be good story telling... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 That bit honestly sounded more anti-Ultramarine than anti-Space Wolf. Honestly, I'm not of the mindset where the Wolves in the stories bug me. Some of their fans do, but they are no more worse than the "Yeah, Wolves are dying because executioners are dumb" crowd to me. Same kind of rabid fanboyism, just opposite sides of the fence. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Let's not go back to this 'Executioner' business, it's there and it can be written the right way. I've yet to see any review that says the book would be better off without the Wolves. Keep focused, people. @Cormac: I agree it's not the usual Guilliman vocabulary, but it's not implausible. We've been seeing a far less strict Guilliman than what many HH fans were expecting. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 It isn't that he's less strict, but that he comes off rather . . . Pre-teen-ish. I am all for Guilliman loosening up, but that is just wrong of Primarchs in general. But I honestly felt the same about the conversation at Ullanor in the Scars book, so my opinion might not be BL's. That, and it irritates me to see him act this way with the Wolves, when he's supposed to be on good terms with Russ and his boys. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 People who you're in good terms with don't follow you around testing your loyalty =p I see what you mean, though, I've noticed the trend for a looser speech in previous novels. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 When it was Word Bearer Chaplains enforcing the Decree, nothing. Space Wolves? Uproar. It's just another incident where they are the loyal dogs, doing as the Emperor dictates regardless of how the others feel about it. If it were me, I'd be placing my irritations on who set the watchdogs on me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281046-tallarn-and-unremembered-empire-is-up-for-pre-order/page/7/#findComment-3483376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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