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[Gree]

 

 

Well, Gree, if we put it that way, every single character in the Heresy could be a pontential traitor. I don't find the use of pykers in that moment as an act of treason. I mean, when the Edict was established the Heresy wasn't in play, the Great Crusade could continue without Psykers, but the Heresy? It's legions against legions, every single asset that could be used should be used. Besides, the Emperor is too far away, Guilliman doesn't know for sure if he's dead or alive or what is going on. He did what he thought was better for the Imperium. So with the Psyker stuff I'm not suspecting him. The only thing that keeps intriguing me is: Why didn't he march to Terra? Was it a meditated decision? Was there an accident in the translation through the warp? o something else? 

 

I just pray: BL Don't let the Ultramarines reach Terra for the Siege, that was a battle for the White Scars, the Blood Angels and the Imperial Fists, and should keep it that way. 

 

He broke the Emperor's edict. Once you get down to it past all the justifcations and attempted explanations, he broke the Edict, and that's enough for me to condem him as a traitor. Guilliman had the arrogance to assume he knew better than the Emperor regarding witchcraft, much like Magnus the Red in some ways.

 

It doesn't matter if he did it because it was pragmatic, he should have stood his ground and died rather than disobey the Emperor. After all, if be can disobey one order, then it just get's easier to disobey the next, and the next until Guilliman isimply ignores the Emperor whenever he pleases, and that's dangerous.

 

It's a pity the Emperor was so surrounded by such traitors during the Heresy, otherwise he might have lived.

 

And no, if every asset can be used then Guilliman might as well be making pacts with the daemons of the warp to combat Horus.

 

What on earth would dying for those principles have achieved? Nikaea may as well have occurred in a different era for all the bearing it has during the actual heresy. The point of it was to strip the imperum of the tools it would need to battle against daemonic forces. When you have no idea whether the Imperium in the conventional sense still endures, or if the Emperor himself is still alive, it isn't exactly an act of monstrous treachery to say buggery to the edict.

 

There are degrees here man, its not just psykers today, daemonic pacts tommorow. Guilliman is one of the finest generals in the galaxy but no, he absolutely should cede all initiative to the traitor forces because taking the logical approach is some sort of imagined heresy.

 

Better loyal and dead than disloyal and alive. As I said it will set a dangerous precedent. Once Guilliman refuses one order, then it becomes easier to disregard the next order from the Emperor, and then the next, until Guilliman is ignoring orders from the Emperor whenever he feels like it. It also presumes a sort of arrogance, that Guilliman knows better than the Emperor concerning psykers.

 

It's the same as Magnus as far as I'm concerned.

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Seems we now know why the Tyranids decided to munch on the 40k galaxy.

[Pavement Artist]

 

 

 

Well, Gree, if we put it that way, every single character in the Heresy could be a pontential traitor. I don't find the use of pykers in that moment as an act of treason. I mean, when the Edict was established the Heresy wasn't in play, the Great Crusade could continue without Psykers, but the Heresy? It's legions against legions, every single asset that could be used should be used. Besides, the Emperor is too far away, Guilliman doesn't know for sure if he's dead or alive or what is going on. He did what he thought was better for the Imperium. So with the Psyker stuff I'm not suspecting him. The only thing that keeps intriguing me is: Why didn't he march to Terra? Was it a meditated decision? Was there an accident in the translation through the warp? o something else? 

 

I just pray: BL Don't let the Ultramarines reach Terra for the Siege, that was a battle for the White Scars, the Blood Angels and the Imperial Fists, and should keep it that way. 

 

He broke the Emperor's edict. Once you get down to it past all the justifcations and attempted explanations, he broke the Edict, and that's enough for me to condem him as a traitor. Guilliman had the arrogance to assume he knew better than the Emperor regarding witchcraft, much like Magnus the Red in some ways.

 

It doesn't matter if he did it because it was pragmatic, he should have stood his ground and died rather than disobey the Emperor. After all, if be can disobey one order, then it just get's easier to disobey the next, and the next until Guilliman isimply ignores the Emperor whenever he pleases, and that's dangerous.

 

It's a pity the Emperor was so surrounded by such traitors during the Heresy, otherwise he might have lived.

 

And no, if every asset can be used then Guilliman might as well be making pacts with the daemons of the warp to combat Horus.

 

What on earth would dying for those principles have achieved? Nikaea may as well have occurred in a different era for all the bearing it has during the actual heresy. The point of it was to strip the imperum of the tools it would need to battle against daemonic forces. When you have no idea whether the Imperium in the conventional sense still endures, or if the Emperor himself is still alive, it isn't exactly an act of monstrous treachery to say buggery to the edict.

 

There are degrees here man, its not just psykers today, daemonic pacts tommorow. Guilliman is one of the finest generals in the galaxy but no, he absolutely should cede all initiative to the traitor forces because taking the logical approach is some sort of imagined heresy.

 

Better loyal and dead than disloyal and alive. As I said it will set a dangerous precedent. Once Guilliman refuses one order, then it becomes easier to disregard the next order from the Emperor, and then the next, until Guilliman is ignoring orders from the Emperor whenever he feels like it. It also presumes a sort of arrogance, that Guilliman knows better than the Emperor concerning psykers.

 

It's the same as Magnus as far as I'm concerned.

 

Utter nonsense frankly. It would amount to little more than a failure to act. You seriously expect any of the loyalist primarchs to just stand back and let the traitors roll over them because of an edict that has no bearing on the current situation?

 

Not entirely sure what plain of reality you exist on dude.

[Gree]

 

 

 

 

Well, Gree, if we put it that way, every single character in the Heresy could be a pontential traitor. I don't find the use of pykers in that moment as an act of treason. I mean, when the Edict was established the Heresy wasn't in play, the Great Crusade could continue without Psykers, but the Heresy? It's legions against legions, every single asset that could be used should be used. Besides, the Emperor is too far away, Guilliman doesn't know for sure if he's dead or alive or what is going on. He did what he thought was better for the Imperium. So with the Psyker stuff I'm not suspecting him. The only thing that keeps intriguing me is: Why didn't he march to Terra? Was it a meditated decision? Was there an accident in the translation through the warp? o something else? 

 

I just pray: BL Don't let the Ultramarines reach Terra for the Siege, that was a battle for the White Scars, the Blood Angels and the Imperial Fists, and should keep it that way. 

 

He broke the Emperor's edict. Once you get down to it past all the justifcations and attempted explanations, he broke the Edict, and that's enough for me to condem him as a traitor. Guilliman had the arrogance to assume he knew better than the Emperor regarding witchcraft, much like Magnus the Red in some ways.

 

It doesn't matter if he did it because it was pragmatic, he should have stood his ground and died rather than disobey the Emperor. After all, if be can disobey one order, then it just get's easier to disobey the next, and the next until Guilliman isimply ignores the Emperor whenever he pleases, and that's dangerous.

 

It's a pity the Emperor was so surrounded by such traitors during the Heresy, otherwise he might have lived.

 

And no, if every asset can be used then Guilliman might as well be making pacts with the daemons of the warp to combat Horus.

 

What on earth would dying for those principles have achieved? Nikaea may as well have occurred in a different era for all the bearing it has during the actual heresy. The point of it was to strip the imperum of the tools it would need to battle against daemonic forces. When you have no idea whether the Imperium in the conventional sense still endures, or if the Emperor himself is still alive, it isn't exactly an act of monstrous treachery to say buggery to the edict.

 

There are degrees here man, its not just psykers today, daemonic pacts tommorow. Guilliman is one of the finest generals in the galaxy but no, he absolutely should cede all initiative to the traitor forces because taking the logical approach is some sort of imagined heresy.

 

Better loyal and dead than disloyal and alive. As I said it will set a dangerous precedent. Once Guilliman refuses one order, then it becomes easier to disregard the next order from the Emperor, and then the next, until Guilliman is ignoring orders from the Emperor whenever he feels like it. It also presumes a sort of arrogance, that Guilliman knows better than the Emperor concerning psykers.

 

It's the same as Magnus as far as I'm concerned.

 

Utter nonsense frankly. It would amount to little more than a failure to act. You seriously expect any of the loyalist primarchs to just stand back and let the traitors roll over them because of an edict that has no bearing on the current situation?

 

Not entirely sure what plain of reality you exist on dude.

 

I'm simply using the same logic to condemn Magnus, nothing more.

 

I think at this point I'm going to withdraw from this thread. Agree to disagree because at this point I don't think anybody is making much headway here.