Ideaus Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Just a quick query, can you cluster mine enemy fortifications. The dex rule states any area terrain on the board can be booby traps an since fortifications are terrain can they be booby trap? If so scout biker got a whole lot better. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 If it's possible then that is absolutely priceless! :D Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3478142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyndakill Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 I'm pretty sure it is possible, the only issue is that they won't trigger on deployment only on movement. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3478195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideaus Posted September 28, 2013 Author Share Posted September 28, 2013 How but making a sky shield dangerous terrain, is that possible to stop deep striker, or would the unfurled special come into play Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3478340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Area terrain only. Fortifications aren't area terrain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3478574 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkGuard Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 When we look at area terrain, we're looking at woods, ruins, anything that has a base on it. These are valid targets for cluster bones. Fortifications have different rules to area terrain, and are not classified as area terrain. Therefore, you cannot place cluster mines in them. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3478843 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ideaus Posted September 29, 2013 Author Share Posted September 29, 2013 No they all have a terrain type, area terrain is anything with a define boundary (eg not open), an as a minimum count as difficult. Area terrain - for the clarity of the game, it is important to be able to tell where the boundary of the terrain feature is. This is where we need to introduce the concept of "area terrain". So everything with a boundary is area terrain as a minimum, but can then be classified as something more with more special rule ( eg building or forest). Since a ADL classed as battlefield debris (defence line) and must be connected then it would be classed as area terrain, an can be booby trapped. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3479015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grey Mage Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 No they all have a terrain type, area terrain is anything with a define boundary (eg not open), an as a minimum count as difficult. Area terrain - for the clarity of the game, it is important to be able to tell where the boundary of the terrain feature is. This is where we need to introduce the concept of "area terrain". So everything with a boundary is area terrain as a minimum, but can then be classified as something more with more special rule ( eg building or forest). Since a ADL classed as battlefield debris (defence line) and must be connected then it would be classed as area terrain, an can be booby trapped. Not unless its got a base that also provides cover it isnt. Battlefield debris doesnt mandate area terrain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3479271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raeven Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 No they all have a terrain type, area terrain is anything with a define boundary (eg not open), an as a minimum count as difficult. Area terrain - for the clarity of the game, it is important to be able to tell where the boundary of the terrain feature is. This is where we need to introduce the concept of "area terrain". So everything with a boundary is area terrain as a minimum, but can then be classified as something more with more special rule ( eg building or forest). Since a ADL classed as battlefield debris (defence line) and must be connected then it would be classed as area terrain, an can be booby trapped. Pg. 91. Bottom paragraph, left panel. "Area terrain is always difficult terrain. Models in area terrain receive a 5+ cover save, regardless of whether they are 25% obscured. etc etc.." The ADL, while you can make it a circle and define an "Area", is not dangerous terrain inside of that circle. Buildings, the Skyshield, and Ruins all do not meet the qualifications to be Area Terrain. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3479720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interrogator-Chaplain Ezra Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I've met some people who were "smart" enough to place ADL along the border of a wood, to get a 4+ against shots and a 5+ against barrages landing behind them (and to help prevent DS from getting at them too easily). Would be fun to turn cluster mines of such a set-up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3481668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disruptor_fe404 Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Don't the rules preclude placement of terrain features within 6" of each other? Or do Fortifications not count as terrain? Because if they don't, then your opponent can place a building in front of your ADL... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3482354 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hallodx Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Also you put your ADL before terrain placement. P120 BRB Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281071-scout-cluster-mines-query/#findComment-3485092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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