crucial Posted September 29, 2013 Share Posted September 29, 2013 I was musing (also deliberating) over the true advantage the recent BL expansion has offered us inbred followers of the dark gods... What are peoples views on the extra FOC slots now available to us. I was thinking of the following two: 1) Additional HQ Cultist mob. We are now able to field 3 HQ cultist mobs in a 1500pt list. 1 Khârn blob is troublesome enough... Backed up by some other elements (that's already 108 bodies) could this cause any trouble to our opponents? Or 2) 4th Spawn unit. Those 45 T6 wounds moving at 12" now became 60. This would costs just over 700pts. Too many eggs in one basket? Maulerfiends and juggerlords? 4x 2 Obliterators to keep with the infantry saturation vibe? I've already heard things about utilising the extra heavy slot for maulerfiend/forgefiend abuse. I really think in lower end standard points games such as 1500pt the extra FA and Heavy slots could make a bigger impact than what it seems. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Besides the obvious extra Heldrake, my first thoughts were that if you want to take chosen with plasma, this is where you take them. May as well make them scoring. Other than that, I don't see anytihg to get too excited about. Besides, I like my daemons too much to change allies now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeychunks Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 I like the idea of a Spineshiver Daemon Prince with the Skull since it seems like a genuine alternative to the Mace-Prince. It gains an extra attack (Spineshiver does not replace his sword) and the guaranteed Eternal Warrior makes Mastery levels less important, so you can actually get a budget-Prince that keeps his spank on and can deal with some of the units that traditionally just ID Princes. The book also takes an enormous pressure off of the Fast Attack slot and allows you to run a proper escort for your HQ, while still keeping the Heldrake numbers up. Maybe even branch into Bikes if you're feeling adventurous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiant Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I suppose a third cultist HQ blob I would run as 30 with flamers and a Dark Zealot with.Skalanthrax brand. 4 flamers on overwatch is nasty. Keeping them alive is a nice challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minionboy Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I suppose a third cultist HQ blob I would run as 30 with flamers and a Dark Zealot with.Skalanthrax brand. 4 flamers on overwatch is nasty. Keeping them alive is a nice challenge. Can't get the Dark Apostle with Burning Brand in the Black Legion Detachment. I've personally been taking a bike sorcerer with the Last Memory of the Yuranthos. Even if you only blind 1-2 units a turn, it's usually enough to have a pretty major impact on the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Defiant Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Clearly you dont use him as part of your BL force. Sheesh,anything else you need written out slowly for you? And a bike sorcerer...are you trolling me? :-p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Invisibility stacks with turbo boosting . that is enough to think about runing a 3xtele undivided sorc. So no , he is not trolling you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fibonacci Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 You said 3rd HQ. Why would anyone infer anything other than the intention to run that as the allied HQ? If he is not part of the BL force then why are you offering it up in a thread about BL forces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minionboy Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Clearly you dont use him as part of your BL force. Sheesh,anything else you need written out slowly for you? And a bike sorcerer...are you trolling me? :-p I'm only hoping you're kidding. Invisibility stacks with turbo boosting . that is enough to think about runing a 3xtele undivided sorc. So no , he is not trolling you. Absolutely! Stack on the Last Memory to make him level 4 and he can cast Invis and Hallucination in the same turn, or Invis and a 12" blinding nova. Really, the Last Memory of the Yuranthos is the best thing out of that Black Legion book, just take a Spell Familiar for safety and you're set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 Would you recommend a escort for the sorcerer, or just solo up the side until you can get in among the enemy force? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaeron Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 You had me at "more Heldrakes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Would you recommend a escort for the sorcerer, or just solo up the side until you can get in among the enemy force? how does the list look like . chaos marines don't have sorc set ups that can fit in to every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I'm playing around with a Noise Marine base & Spawn assault list (yes, I know it isn't that good, but it has been a good change from my previous lists), but I like the Idea of getting a sorcerer in among enemy units for Last Memory. I guess my question would be: For a Last Memory bike sorcerer, like the one you and minionboy are discussing above, should I also get some bikers to be an escort/extra wounds for him, or should I just try for Invisibility and try to rely on the 2+cover to get me up the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 yes biker would be better. spawn bring the risk of being single out due to how cover works in 6th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I thought that was only a worry the other way around, thatyou can pick out the lower cover save, but not the higher? Also, i thouht it didnt matter, because bikes only got their cover save for turbo boosting, which thhey can't do unless every model in the unit can do so, and spawn can't 'turbo boost'. Likewise, the spawn in the unit can't run, since the bike can't run? So the main reason to stick bikes (aand disks) with bikes and juggers with spawn was that doing it otherwise cuts into your speed by preventing running/turboboosting, not for the picking out saves thing. Or did I have that wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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