Blindhamster Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 So, when I was at Games Day I hounded about half the forgeworld team concerning the storm eagle (especially as there were a couple painted in BA colours). Apparently they were initially going to be available for all chapters in 40k but when Andy Hall put it forward for acceptance He was specifically asked to remove it from BAs. He said they'd only have done that if there are plans for something similar in the future specific to BAs, it might be something as simple as a BA Storm Eagle with unique rules, or it could be something entirely different. Still means there is some hope for a nicer flyer than the storm raven in the long run. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calnus Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Did you see any experimental rules for the new Fire Raptor? Might it be available to Blood Angels? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3480848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 not in 40k as far as I saw, at the moment the fire raptor seems to be heresy exclusive, I doubt theyd give us the fire raptor without the eagle though in 40k tbh, I'd imagine it'll be something more like the eagle, but he didn't share any specifics, just said that something is likely coming in a year or so. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3480872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Seems more likely to me they just wanted to avoid detracting from the Stormraven, which wasn't available to regular Marines at the time. Having everyone buying Storm Eagles instead of their expensive, brand new plastic kit would have been disastrous. Why would they have two flyers doing basically exactly the same job in the next codex? Something to fill the Stormtalon slot is more likely. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3480892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 you didn't read what I said Lucien. It's FW that apparently have different plans for BAs. Marines get both the Raven and Eagle now so the point is moot there. And yes the GW Codex might well grant either the talon or something else but I wasn't referring to GW but instead to Forgeworld. I spoke with Andy Hall on the subject and it was the forgeworld high ups that told him to remove access to the storm eagle from BAs (imperial Armour 2 that is due out soon was going to give it to all chapters as I already said) He specifically said that they wouldn't tell him to do that unless they had other plans for the BAs. Perhaps with the Horus Heresy book for Signus likely to be out at the start of 2015 it'll be a Heresy flyer that BAs will also get in 40k. Time will tell, either way I'm pretty happy to hear it as the eagle is very cool and I'm just hopeful we get a modified one of those Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3480929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostwanted Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Thanks for the info on this Blindhamster. I was thinking recently what we were going to get from FW in regards the Heresy stuff. I can't wait to see what love we get. Shame its still quite some time off, but as the models keep getting better and better I'm happy to wait to get some great looking stuff. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3481489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 you didn't read what I said Lucien. It's FW that apparently have different plans for BAs. I did. Re-read your post - you said who you were talking to, not what you were talking about. Marines get both the Raven and Eagle now so the point is moot there. Marines didn't have the Stormraven when the Storm Eagle was released. The two Chapters that had the Stormraven - Blood Angels and Grey Knights - didn't get the Storm Eagle. You're not really naive enough to believe that's a coincidence, are you? And yes the GW Codex might well grant either the talon or something else but I wasn't referring to GW but instead to Forgeworld. I spoke with Andy Hall on the subject and it was the forgeworld high ups that told him to remove access to the storm eagle from BAs (imperial Armour 2 that is due out soon was going to give it to all chapters as I already said) He specifically said that they wouldn't tell him to do that unless they had other plans for the BAs. Forge World is GW. They will absolutely make decisions based on protecting the main range. And GW employees will never openly admit that's why they did it. I can well believe that now the Stormraven is available to all, the Storm Eagle will follow suit, probably with Bloodstrike and Mindstrike variants. I'm not gullible enough to believe a GW employee telling me the original decision was to do with anything but selling more plastic. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3481687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Lucien... the point is that I went and spoke to Andy because he is the writer of the updated imperial armour 2 which comes out toward the end of the year I believe (marine book) said book includes the storm eagle in it, when he was writing it he had the storm eagle in it for all chapters. he was specifically asked to remove it for blood angels in the updated version. He then went on to say that the implication is that there will be something similar available to BAs in the reasonably near future (he said a year or so, but I don't think he has control over that side of things so it could be less or it could be more). I am indeed sensible enough to understand that the original reason for the eagle not being available to BAs was that they had the raven, and even cited that as good reason to give the BAs the eagle now, which resulted in the conversation noted above. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3481773 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leksington Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 you didn't read what I said Lucien. It's FW that apparently have different plans for BAs. I did. Re-read your post - you said who you were talking to, not what you were talking about. Marines get both the Raven and Eagle now so the point is moot there. Marines didn't have the Stormraven when the Storm Eagle was released. The two Chapters that had the Stormraven - Blood Angels and Grey Knights - didn't get the Storm Eagle. You're not really naive enough to believe that's a coincidence, are you? And yes the GW Codex might well grant either the talon or something else but I wasn't referring to GW but instead to Forgeworld. I spoke with Andy Hall on the subject and it was the forgeworld high ups that told him to remove access to the storm eagle from BAs (imperial Armour 2 that is due out soon was going to give it to all chapters as I already said) He specifically said that they wouldn't tell him to do that unless they had other plans for the BAs. Forge World is GW. They will absolutely make decisions based on protecting the main range. And GW employees will never openly admit that's why they did it. I can well believe that now the Stormraven is available to all, the Storm Eagle will follow suit, probably with Bloodstrike and Mindstrike variants. I'm not gullible enough to believe a GW employee telling me the original decision was to do with anything but selling more plastic. Maybe I'm misreading you, but your post doesn't makes sense to me. Why would BA having SR exclusively in the past prevent FW from granting the Storm Eagle to the BA in the present? Especially since most marine chapters currently have more flier options than BA? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3482214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Maybe I'm misreading you, but your post doesn't makes sense to me. Why would BA having SR exclusively in the past prevent FW from granting the Storm Eagle to the BA in the present? Especially since most marine chapters currently have more flier options than BA? You're misreading me. I said exactly the opposite: I can well believe that now the Stormraven is available to all, the Storm Eagle will follow suit, probably with Bloodstrike and Mindstrike variants. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 except your entire reply seemed to be missing the point that the update that is coming out in a couple of months specifically still doesn't include the Storm Eagle for Blood Angels. (Imperial Armour 2 updated to latest edition with a lot more Space Marine vehicles). Your reply to my post seemed to be suggesting that the reason the Eagle wont be available in this updated book is due to the Storm Raven being available to BAs, which I think is where the confusion is Lucien... The suggestion from Andy was that we might get a similar flyer sooner rather than the later, but we specifically will not be getting the Storm Eagle (at least not with the rule set it currently has). It Might be we get a Storm Eagle varient eventually but we still wont even with the updated ruleset coming out soon. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taranis Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'd rather have a skimmer transport with assault ramp..... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 guess we will have to see, but as noted, we wont be getting the storm eagle any time soon, but will get something from FW some time after the imperial armour 2 update, but not in it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lorenzen Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Having asked the same question to both alan bligh and andy hoare (shame on you blind!) The current status is that in 30k blood angels have storm eagles (hence mark bedfords painted one) but in 40k they do not and at least with its current rules will not Wether they will get a blood angel exclusive set of rules for the eagle is unsure, but honestly i doubt it as it would have only required a paragraph at best to alter it in imp armour 2s update. Id honestly expect something blood angel specific instead. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blindhamster Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 I concur from what Andy said, there was a reason he was asked to remove BA access to it, and we can apparently expect something 'soon' but I got the impression soon was 'a year or so' rather than 'next month' Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entei Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It will be really interesting to see what they come up with. Hopefully we will get access to the Fire Raptor in the meantime... And we got the Caestus, but the Stormraven seems better imho. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It will be really interesting to see what they come up with. Hopefully we will get access to the Fire Raptor in the meantime... And we got the Caestus, but the Stormraven seems better imho. Magna Melta flyer that can ram something that offends you then disgorges a full ten man terminator team. Somehow this worse than an armor 12 ceramite box that can't melta blast someone who looks at you funny? If I could afford it I'd rather take the Ram. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Entei Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 It will be really interesting to see what they come up with. Hopefully we will get access to the Fire Raptor in the meantime... And we got the Caestus, but the Stormraven seems better imho. Magna Melta flyer that can ram something that offends you then disgorges a full ten man terminator team. Somehow this worse than an armor 12 ceramite box that can't melta blast someone who looks at you funny? If I could afford it I'd rather take the Ram. Well it'd certainly be the best choice if you are facing a mech-list. The Stormraven though is way cheaper and decent against infantry/MEQ armies while still being able to take out tanks. I had forgotten the Caestus was av 13 though... Shame on me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281195-blood-angels-alternative-to-storm-eagle/#findComment-3483927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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