Brother Heinrich Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 The Impaler. Leaves the bodies impaled on spikes. Does that really fit the Night Lord theme?Considering Prince of Crows has the Night Haunter impaling someone to leave them as an example to the people passing below and not to mention the practice of blood condors which consists of making that little winged angel that Hannibal Lecter did to a cop in the end of Silence of the Lambs, I would go with yes, leaving morbid displays of death around for all to see definitely fits in the Night Lords theme. how is impaling people not Night Lords? As long as it's cruel and unusual punishment, they are pretty much the masters of it. Speaking of which, wait till you see what I've got planned for Grotsmasha's diorama challenge Kol ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482431 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 :blink: Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482434 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Sorry. Wrote it on the iPad and don't see the smileys. I thought the sarcasm was implied. My mistake Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482459 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Sorry. Wrote it on the iPad and don't see the smileys. I thought the sarcasm was implied. My mistake oh gotcha, no worries :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think I may have Bronchitis :( It's a penal colony I think, set in the ruins of the "Old World" which now make up loads of caverns, they don't see any sun and they are left to fend for themselves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Thirst Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Think I may have Bronchitis It's a penal colony I think, set in the ruins of the "Old World" which now make up loads of caverns, they don't see any sun and they are left to fend for themselves. Just like the mutants in Old New York in Futurama haha Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Strictly my opinion, but I've always thought that Curze never felt the kiss of Chaos the way, say, Fulgrim did. He was just that crazy. To elaborate, in Blood Reaver we found out that Talos's prophetic visions are caused by his body rejecting the gene seed, and he wonders if Curze's foresight was similarly caused by his body rejecting the Emperor's blood in his veins. Variel describes it as "His own gene seed hates him." and the idea that Curze was self destructive at a CELLULAR level...it just feels appropriate to me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Like Fulgrim did? No way. No possession, no courting daemons, no true taint. That said, at his end? After becoming steeped in madness? Yeah, I would say his own warp bound nature, as all Primarchs are of the warp at their genesis, would have certainly put him on the 'yeah thats pretty close to corruption' side of things. YMMV. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'll just say we've seen some pretty loco pendejos (Death Corps of Krieg, Chenkhov, any number of Inquisitors) who hopped on the crazy train without even a nudge from the Ruinous Powers. But this is an area where "Agree to disagree" is entirely valid. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Strictly my opinion, but I've always thought that Curze never felt the kiss of Chaos the way, say, Fulgrim did. He was just that crazy. I remember ADB mentioned (on another forum I believe) that Curze was never fully corrupted by Chaos a la the Daemon Primarchs, but as a traitor who fought and associated with other traitors, he was definitely tainted at some point. As I recall, ADB's main point was that Curze was by no means immune to the Chaos around him, and there are levels of Chaos corruption. Curze's taint would be shallow compared to Fulgrim's Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482713 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Aye, Curze sounds like Perturabo, if Perturabo had been killed at the Iron Cage. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronotonic Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Aye, Curze sounds like Perturabo, if Perturabo had been killed at the Iron Cage. that is almost a perfect point of view... Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greyall Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 His view of himself as a judge of sorts - being on the right side of things - and his blender of a mind probably kept him unaware of his taint, with only an increase (maybe...) in desecrated bodies standing out as corruption. Sevatar certainly notices that. But seeing as everyone can get corrupted, Curze's mind would appear as an all-you-can-eat restaurant in the Warp. It's just that effed-up. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3482898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustus Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 After reading Vulkan Lives I believe Curze knows he bat poop crazy but at the same time he feels he's justified Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Prince of Crows did a better job of portraying it than Vulkan Lives. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483426 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Heinrich Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 Prince of Crows did a better job of portraying it than Vulkan Lives. Agreed, I view "Vulkan Lives" as a piece of heretical slander designed to debase the names of every legion mentioned within it's pages. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Aye, Vulkan Lives showed that Curze wants to subvert fate more than anything else. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Aye, Vulkan Lives showed that Curze wants to subvert fate more than anything else.Which is why it doesn't fit that his whole personality goes from self-loathing to suicidal. His portrayal has always shown him as accepting of the fact that he will die on Tsalgualsa. Look at Prince of Crows. We still see the insanity. We still see the self-destructive recklessness. But there's a huge difference. In PoC, Curze uses his knowledge, his certainty in that he will survive the Heresy to do a Custard's charge onto the Invincible Reason. It seems Kyme(and possibly Abneet from the spoilers), have interpreted self-destructive as suicidal and that is not the case with Curze. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I dont know. I think it shows that when he had to deviate from what he thought of himself, and had to dwell upon fate, and seeing it come closer to fruition...he started to really lose it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Yeah, but the problem you run into is that Vulkan Lives takes place before PoC and PoC is immediately followed by UE. So what ends up happening is we transition from "Suicidal and testing fate" to "This is my fate, let's have some fun" back to "Suicidal and testing fate"(this last one is from what I've heard). That is the most random chracter progression I have ever heard of because we go from testing one's beliefs to fully accepting fate and making the most of it, back to testing one's beliefs. I can probably get it after PoC since Curze had that eepiphany moment where he was getting his own sons killed and in an ironic moment of caring, he ran away. But the whole yo-yo thing where he goes from challenging to accepting to challenge is just weird and demeaning to the character. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm not sure I agree. VL - Testing fate. Introspective self loathing. This is perfectly in character. PoC - Testing fate. Instead of asking Vulkan to kill him. Its the Lion and DA. At this point he REALLY is going off the deep end because he is no longer a Judge, he is a rebel (Are we not Imperial Sev? I dont know if we are sir.) and he doesnt like it. UE - (Havent read yet) Testing fate, going off the deep end? I dont know yet. I dont see a huge disconnect between VL and PoC though, personally. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483474 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 In PoC, we see Sevatar talking to the Sin-Eater. The Sin-Eater says that Curze knows when he will die. Sevatar goes, "Are you sure?" And then we see him running into a hopeless situation headfirst. And when the situation becomes perfect for assisted suicide, Curze runs from it. You can't exactly test something if you run away from it? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Yes and no. Attacking the ship in the first place is suicide. What he forces upon the first company, is suicide. Hes clearly not thinking straight. Maybe he just chickens out? Maybe he wants to take down the Lion first. Attacking in the first place, after getting crushed by a foe who can outmaneuver him so plainly? That is suicidal. Its not looking too good here the more I think on it. 1. Is he stupid. 2. Is he a chicken. 3. Is he just crazy? Frankly, I'm going with 3. He's lost it. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adra'Melek Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 4. He knows when he dies and thinks he's (currently) invincible. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Well, he's always been crazy. But the theme of "Curze testing fate" in Vulkan Lives is pointing to suicide. That he wants to test fate by dying earlier than he has foreseen in a way he hasn't foreseen. If that specific theme of testing fate is supposed to have recurred in Prince of Crows, then it would make sense if Curze had a small moment of "Maybe I don't want to die." But that isn't what happened. It was "What am I doing to my sons?" that made him run. If someone is supposed to be that suicidal, combined with that kind of insanity, the consequences of his death would mean nothing to him. Or should mean nothing to him. The fact that they do still points to insanity, but not insanity mixed with suicide. The attack on the Invincible Reason is nothing more than a Custard's Charge followed by an epiphany. It illustrates the love-hate relationship that exists between the Night Lords, and especially where Curze is concerned. It does not illustrate suicidal intentions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281223-night-lords-recruitment/page/4/#findComment-3483514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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