Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 In skimming threads here and in the GK army list section, I haven't seen much discussion of this guy. I have a hankering to include him as part of an Inquisitional allied force to my Imperial Guard. Mostly for fluff and the cool model. Just wondering how would you guys recommend using him? Run him solo, or in a group of power armour GK? Terminator GK? I was always a witch hunters guy back in the day -- not that I have anything against Grey Knights but they just feel more Ordo Malleus than Ordo Hereticus to me and, fluff-wise, I would use the Karamazov model (with some conversions) and rules to represent the Ordo Hereticus inquisitor I've been using in my army's storyline since early 3rd edition. Is there anything more Ordo Hereticus-feeling that I could "dress up" my mandatory GK troops choice as (i.e. use the GK rules, but maybe model/paint them differently)? Many thanks for all your help! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Caloth Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Well he is an inquisitor, so he opens up a slot for henchmen, and i do believe they are troops.... Honestly, i haven't used inquisition troops since i FIRST started, until i got enough knights that i didn't need to. I know using them can open some good options weapon wise, i.e. the plasma cannon trio, however, Karamazov's big claim to fame this coded is the orbital bombardment that doesn't miss ( he targets his own troops). Whether or not that works with the IG as well, i can't say at this exact moment, but if so you can possibly add the detachment in with the desert guy who recycles troops. Potentially fairly viable Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3481899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Well he is an inquisitor, so he opens up a slot for henchmen, and i do believe they are troops.... Only Coteaz makes Henchment Troops. Use Karamazov if you want to drop his Orbital Strike on your own troops. Otherwise don't bother. Especially as GW ruled Relentless doesn't work with Orbital Bombardments. :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3481954 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 1, 2013 Author Share Posted October 1, 2013 Has the Orbital Strike been FAQ'ed to land only on friendly troops from Codex: Grey Knights, or can I drop it on allies? Could make for an amusing tactic given that I run Death Korps of Krieg Assault Brigade that had recycling platoons. So if I nuke my own troops, they'll just re-enter via ongoing reserves. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3482181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan_the_Grim Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Has the Orbital Strike been FAQ'ed to land only on friendly troops from Codex: Grey Knights, or can I drop it on allies? Could make for an amusing tactic given that I run Death Korps of Krieg Assault Brigade that had recycling platoons. So if I nuke my own troops, they'll just re-enter via ongoing reserves. Allied troops are Allies of Convenience only and thus cannot be targeted by friendly effects (though admittedly this isn't very friendly at all LOL). I use Karamazov on shunting NDKs. First turn shunt to a big target if any, then hit it with the appropriate bombardment. A good way to kill a landraider (and if you are lucky even 2 landraiders) in one shot while exposing its contents to waiting plasma cannon fire. And with a 5++ there is a chance it won't even lose a wound. I typically run him alone on top of the fortress of redemption or bastion to get a 4+ cover save and still get a view of the whole board. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3483257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vorenus Posted October 7, 2013 Share Posted October 7, 2013 That's pretty nasty. I like it. I have never seen anyone do that before, I may have to give it a try. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3488061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 I'd be wary of taking a wound off my expensive NDK 1/3 of the time, just to drop an Orbital Bombardment accuratly. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3489190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Karamasov is for fun, he's not intended for serious play. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3490238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan_the_Grim Posted October 13, 2013 Share Posted October 13, 2013 I'd be wary of taking a wound off my expensive NDK 1/3 of the time, just to drop an Orbital Bombardment accuratly. Well, its just a question of trade off, some kills are worth the wound. But you are right, it's not a decision to take lightly. But if he looks like this, then you got to use him at least once in your life. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3493611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 Try him out in friendly games. He's pretty annoying attached to a Terminator or Paladin blob. He can tank like a boss and pawn wounds onto the squad when he fails a save. Plus he has a Relentless twin multi-melta, which is never bad. Just sucks he isn't a 'Prescience' psyker, like literally every other Inquisitor we field (sigh...). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3495811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan_the_Grim Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I used him in a 3-member team tourney, 1k points per member. Each game took 2 out of the 3, no duplicate combinations. We had 2 1k dual NDK and termie lists, and my Fortress of Redemption, Vindicare, Karamazov, Coteaz/lots of small henchmen groups. Made Karamazov the warlord every time while he was on top of the fortress. He was the ultimate distraction, if people wasted time trying to kill him for Slay the warlord the multiple NDKs and termies would wreak havoc. I even nuked Coteaz once to slay the Chaos warlord he was forced to fight, that was a real laugh. And yeah, we won that tourney despite the hordes of flyers. They just got confused by the utter weirdness of the list, I guess. I pity the team that had to fight 4 NDKs. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3496102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted October 15, 2013 Share Posted October 15, 2013 I pity the team that had to fight 4 NDKs. I think it's more that, than Karamazov. ;) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3496140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 >4 DK's Yeah, there is a reason Heavy Support is only 3 slots below 2k. DK's are pound for pound better than Terminators for the same price. Their only real weaknesses are 5+ invul and I4. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3496939 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samæl Posted October 16, 2013 Share Posted October 16, 2013 In skimming threads here and in the GK army list section, I haven't seen much discussion of this guy. I have a hankering to include him as part of an Inquisitional allied force to my Imperial Guard. Mostly for fluff and the cool model. Just wondering how would you guys recommend using him? Run him solo, or in a group of power armour GK? Terminator GK? I was always a witch hunters guy back in the day -- not that I have anything against Grey Knights but they just feel more Ordo Malleus than Ordo Hereticus to me and, fluff-wise, I would use the Karamazov model (with some conversions) and rules to represent the Ordo Hereticus inquisitor I've been using in my army's storyline since early 3rd edition. Is there anything more Ordo Hereticus-feeling that I could "dress up" my mandatory GK troops choice as (i.e. use the GK rules, but maybe model/paint them differently)? Many thanks for all your help! My favorite thing to do is use him with a henchman squad of crusaders. They get into close combat and I target them with his obrital strike. One of these days I'm going to model a group of them holding the shields over their heads for just that purpose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281250-inquisitor-karamazov/#findComment-3497607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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