Targetlock Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I'm considering converting some rough riders for my renegade force, converted from mounted marauders. has anyone had any experience with rough riders? are they worth it and whats the best way to use them? is mogul kamir any good, might be fun to convert a traitor version :) thanks. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 just like sentinels, they are a fast attack option not very viable in comparison to the other fast attack options/point cost-combat effectiveness. from a modeling perspective they are a fun unit though. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarriorFish Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I think they work best as counter assault units to help protect your own lines, and like hendrik said if you want performance the Fast Attack slot offers better choices elsewhere. If you don't mind that then go for it! :D The sad fact is Rough Riders are much unloved by GW so practical experience is few and far between these days... :( Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Those saying that the unit is made for counter attack are spot on. Anytime you move the RRs ahead the enemy will simply throw a few, emphasis on few, bolter rounds its way and either eliminate or neuter the squad. I'd make sure to give them special weapons (assault ones) so they can be a bit more versatile. They work real well with an mostly mechanized force since they can use the tanks as cover and make enemy close ranged units make a tough choice, kill a tank and get charged by RRs next turn OR kill some RRs and let the tank live another round. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Well, I've used them on the attack with some success, albeit back in 5th edition. I advance them behind a hellhound and chimeras to block LOS or give cover from those "few bolter rounds" then open up a gap between the vehicles for them to charge through. It worked pretty well and they can hit quite hard on the charge. The problem is that they are rather fragile -- basic guardsman stats, so its true that it doesn't take much to send them running. So they're a bit of a glass hammer but very fun. People very infrequently face them or grossly underestimate them due to their poor reputation. So in a tournament situation I think they could give you and edge as they'll be overlooked until they've annihilated something expensive (I used to love using them for terminator-hunting, which they're not good at any more, but they could still lay major hurt on something power-armoured or less). Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 2, 2013 Author Share Posted October 2, 2013 I was considering them mostly from a modelling aspect ;) but its also useful hearing about them rules-wise. rules question how many attacks does Mogul Kamir have when he charges (he gains D3+1 for his cyber-steed but also +2 for rage), so does he gain D3+3 attacks when he charges or am i reading this wrong? thanks for any clarification. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I don't have experience with modelling rough riders since I use Death Korps of Krieg death riders "out if the box". Don't know about Mogul Kamir since I've not looked into that and don't have my BRB with me. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I have done just a small bit of remodeling on my rough riders. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-WfwCDt1woQ8/UgePJXSez-I/AAAAAAAABco/VQq6t2ellwI/s320/217_0024.JPG Secret weapon heads and rebreathers. It wasn't easy to get a clean cut. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3483802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 I like your conversion uber,but wouldn't the horse need a rebreather too? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3484586 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 3, 2013 Author Share Posted October 3, 2013 Nice model Uberwolve but i agree with Hendrik, if you can pull it off, a rebreather on the horse would look rather cool. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3484687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 You both may have a point their. I do have some Death Riders which I didn't when I got the parts for those Rough Riders above. I don't paint horses very well so my Wife wanted to paint them. She loves horses and has painted them in a lot of different scales over the years. I think when she gets done I will make a breather hood for the horses. I have been thinking about breathers for my mordians too... when I get to it I will post pictures. Man you guys get me in a lot of trouble.. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3484981 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kierdale Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 If you do make some rebreathers (human and/or horsey) I'd love to see a tutorial ;) As for Rough Riders, I'm going to follow the common idea and make mine as a counter attack unit. Initially I'm planing a double-meltagun, melta-bomb set up. If I get more i might make the option for double flamers. I shy at the prospect of putting 15-point weapons in BS3 hands though, so my plasma guns will be saved for veterans. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellios Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I've run rough riders for fun. I played a list where I I had a demolisher wall... and I used to run the rough riders behind that before pouncing on my prey. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hendrik Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 I've had good results copying the gw rebreathers with a greenstuff pushmold Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 yep, i think my renegade force will have some converted rough riders in the near future ;) what would you recommend would be the best special weapon for them? send them tank-hunting or troop killing? i'm thinking either meltagun or flamer :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Why not both :) I have about 30 awaiting attention, it's taking me a while to cast enough heads for the riders but once I have them all done i will play some games where I plonk 30 of them down one flank and see what happens. May as we'll ask here, if my rider has dark blue armour and white cloth, what might be a good colour for his giant birds plumage? http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo90/RADU_LYKAN/imperial%20guard/rr4.jpg Been stuck on the colours for a long while now Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 Wow! evil killer ostriches :) what did you use for the mounts? Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhead01 Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 ep, i think my renegade force will have some converted rough riders in the near future what would you recommend would be the best special weapon for them? send them tank-hunting or troop killing? i'm thinking either meltagun or flamer With out looking. I would say flamers and a Melta bomb SGT. However, it really comes down to your play style. Take into account the points level you can best use them. Make them a very powerful unit in smaller games or a unit easily ignored in larger games. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 4, 2013 Author Share Posted October 4, 2013 I was considering a small unit with flamers and Mogul Kamir, mainly used as forward scouts, distractions and picking off light targets, kind of ranges ahead of my force with my snipers and stormtroopers. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RADU LYKAN Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 Wow! evil killer ostriches what did you use for the mounts? they were from the phoenix club, a community project from years ago, i liked them at the time and i like them still. i wish you could have a rough rider command squad that could make them troops, an all cavalry guard regiment would probably be fun to play and if not, they would look nice before you had to start putting them back in the box :) Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NightHunters Posted October 4, 2013 Share Posted October 4, 2013 When I was young, some moons ago, rough riders wore guard issue grey fatigues, a white or red helmet and went ork sticking with explosive lances, all the while wearing trendy reflective goggles and riding real horses! But seriously, I have been tempted by guard in the past almost purely for the modelling options for these flash cavalrymen of the future! Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3485936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 A full rough rider army would be pretty awesome :) Death Korps of Kreig have rough rider platoons which is the the closest i suppose. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3486376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Melts guns make them more multipurpose -- tank hunting and MEQ. Flamer makes them more anti-infantry. Both are viable options to be sure. Death riders can't take special weapons but have 2 wounds, carapace armour, and feel No pain which us a decent trade off. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3486437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Targetlock Posted October 5, 2013 Author Share Posted October 5, 2013 yep tempted by both options, probably flamer as it will go with mogul kamir quite well :) look forward to when i can get the models and start the conversions. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3486559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicodemus Doloroso Posted October 5, 2013 Share Posted October 5, 2013 Thanks to 6th edition Mogul Kamir may actually be worth taking. Under the 5th edition rage rules, he actually made Rough Riders *worse*. Link to comment https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/281300-rough-riders-anyone/#findComment-3486570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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